EHeller comments on The genie knows, but doesn't care - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shminux 10 September 2013 12:20:59AM *  12 points [-]

For all their talk of Bayesianism, nobody is going to check your bio and say, "Hmm, he's a professor of mathematics with 20 publications in artificial intellgence; maybe I should take his opinion as seriously as that of the high-school dropout who has no experience building AI systems."

Actually, that was the first thing I did, not sure about other people. What I saw was:

  • Teaches at what appears to be a small private liberal arts college, not a major school.

  • Out of 20 or so publications listed on http://www.richardloosemore.com/papers, a bunch are unrelated to AI, others are posters and interviews, or even "unpublished", which are all low-confidence media.

  • Several contributions are entries in conference proceedings (are they peer-reviewed? I don't know) .

  • A number are listed as "to appear", and so impossible to evaluate.

  • A few are apparently about dyslexia, which is an interesting topic, but not obviously related to AI.

  • One relevant paper was in H+ magazine, a place I have never heard of before and apparently not a part of any well-known scientific publishing outlet, like Springer.

  • I could not find any external references to RL's work except through links to Ben Goertzel (IEET was one exception).

As a result, I was unable to independently evaluate RL's expertise level, but clearly he is not at the top of the AI field, unlike say, Ben Goertzel. Given his poorly written posts and childish behavior here, indicative of an over-inflated ego, I have decided that whatever he writes can be safely ignored. I did not think of him as a crackpot, more like a noise maker.

Admittedly, I am not sold on Eliezer's ideas, either, since many other AI experts are skeptical of them, and that's the only thing I can go by, not being an expert in the field myself. But at least Eliezer has done several impossible things in the last decade or so, which commands a lot of respect, while Richard appears to be drifting along.

Comment author: EHeller 10 September 2013 01:25:45AM 10 points [-]

As a result, I was unable to independently evaluate RL's expertise level, but clearly he is not at the top of the AI field, unlike say, Ben Goertzel.

At least a few of the RL authored papers are WITH Ben Goertzel, so some of Goertzel's status should rub-off, as I would trust Goertzel to effectively evaluate collaborators.

Comment author: wedrifid 10 September 2013 11:46:10AM -2 points [-]

At least a few of the RL authored papers are WITH Ben Goertzel, so some of Goertzel's status should rub-off, as I would trust Goertzel to effectively evaluate collaborators.

Is there some assumption here that association with Ben Goertzel should be considered evidence in favour of an individual's credibility on AI? That seems backwards.

Comment author: ygert 10 September 2013 12:07:02PM *  2 points [-]

Well, it does show that Goertzel respects his opinions at least enough to be willing to author a paper with him.

Comment author: Peterdjones 10 September 2013 12:33:44PM -1 points [-]

Goertzel appears to be a respected figuer in the field. Could you point the interested reader to your critique of his work?

Comment author: Randaly 10 September 2013 12:35:53PM *  3 points [-]

Goertzel is also known for approving of people who are uncontroversially cranks. See here. It's also known, via his cooperation with MIRI, that a collaboration with him in no way implies his endorsement of another's viewpoints.

Comment author: wedrifid 10 September 2013 12:54:57PM 1 point [-]

Could you point the interested reader to your critique of his work?

Comments can likely be found on this site from years ago. I don't recall anything particularly in depth or memorable. It's probably better to just look at things that Ben Goertzel says and making one's own judgement. The thinking he expresses is not of the kind that impresses me but other's mileage may vary.

I don't begrudge anyone their right to their beauty contests but I do observe that whatever it is that is measured by identifying the degree of affiliation with Ben Goertzel is something wildly out of sync with the kind of thing I would consider evidence of credibility.