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Comment author: pengvado 07 September 2013 07:22:29PM *  9 points [-]

In fact, the question itself seems superficially similar to the halting problem, where "running off the rails" is the analogue for "halting"

If you want to draw an analogy to halting, then what that analogy actually says is: There are lots of programs that provably halt, and lots that provably don't halt, and lots that aren't provable either way. The impossibility of the halting problem is irrelevant, because we don't need a fully general classifier that works for every possible program. We only need to find a single program that provably has behavior X (for some well-chosen value of X).

If you're postulating that there are some possible friendly behaviors, and some possible programs with those behaviors, but that they're all in the unprovable category, then you're postulating that friendliness is dissimilar to the halting problem in that respect.

Comment author: Baughn 11 September 2013 12:23:32AM 1 point [-]

Moreover, the halting problem doesn't show that the set of programs you can't decide halting for is in any way interesting.

It's a constructive proof, yes, but it constructs a peculiarly twisted program that embeds its own proof-checker. That might be relevant for AGI, but for almost every program in existence we have no idea which group it's in, and would likely guess it's provable.