Pavitra comments on Is Molecular Nanotechnology "Scientific"? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Pavitra 30 August 2010 06:03:59PM 1 point [-]

You're signaling poorly for this community.

For example, starting your post with an all-caps sentence asserting that something is "undisputedly" true makes you look like a crank. It might be obviously true, or indisputably true, but if it were actually undisputed then why would you need to point it out? It would be like saying "THE SUN IS UNDISPUTEDLY BRIGHT AND HOT". This statement is true, but why does it deserve the all-caps treatment?

Similarly, "challenging" people to dispute an assertion sounds like you're setting up your arguments as soldiers to defend territory against enemies, which is generally frowned upon around here.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 30 August 2010 06:36:33PM *  12 points [-]

Your comment seems to be hovering around 0 with multiple upvotes and downvotes. I suspect this is because you replied to an individual who appears with great certainty to either be a troll or to be someone with a mental illness (I don't know if being a general crank is a mental illness per se). This individual is 1) claiming that he has revolutionary ideas relating to ancient Egypt 2) claiming that some of his ideas have been stolen from him by a popular rap-artist, 3) writing "E=MC" when he apparently means "E=MC^2" 4) claiming that his ideas are "copyrighted" 5) claiming that nanotechnology is some sort of UN plot. Given those data points one can conclude with a high confidence that interacting with the individual will not produce any useful results and is likely to simply damage the signal to noise ratio.

Comment author: Mass_Driver 30 August 2010 11:28:41PM *  4 points [-]

Wait, how does interacting with a troll damage the signal to noise ratio? Whose signal? Whose noise?

EDIT: It has been pointed out to me that the relevant signal-to-noise ratio is in the Recent Comments feed, which makes plenty of sense. I have been convinced, and will not interact with people I perceive as trolls. Note that at no point did I reply to anything Shoga said, nor do I defend Shoga's views, nor do I welcome Shoga's participation on Less Wrong. I was simply trying to understand Joshua Z's comment.

Comment author: jimrandomh 30 August 2010 11:49:58PM 12 points [-]

It clutters up the Recent Comments feed. We'd rather it contained neither trolls nor responses to trolls.

Comment author: Mass_Driver 31 August 2010 12:04:38AM 3 points [-]

Thanks.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 30 August 2010 06:50:06PM 3 points [-]

You're signaling poorly for this community.

Signaling is not the problem here. Communication of inability to think clearly was quite reliable.

Comment author: Pavitra 30 August 2010 06:55:10PM 0 points [-]

There's an interesting point to be had here, actually: there's an awful lot of signaling where the cost isn't correlated with the truth of the signal. It takes just as much effort to dress up true ideas is scientific-sounding language as false ones, for example. Maybe it's just me, but it seems that the distinction is usually drawn between cheap vs. costly signaling, rather than empty vs. demonstrative signaling.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 30 August 2010 07:06:16PM *  0 points [-]

The salient question is, signaling of what, not signaling in what sense.

Comment author: Pavitra 30 August 2010 07:12:02PM *  0 points [-]

Cheap signaling of undesirable qualities is indistinguishable from failure to expensively signal desirable qualities. (Edit: not really, but it's close enough for rock'n'roll.)