Lumifer comments on Looking for opinions of people like Nick Bostrom or Anders Sandberg on current cryo techniques - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 18 October 2013 08:45:32PM 2 points [-]

Do you mean more confidence in the prediction? Narrower error bands?

Comment author: BaconServ 19 October 2013 02:11:55AM 0 points [-]

More domain-specific, invention specific, plotting events with ever-narrower error bands. If you could isolate the specific month that news media gets in a buzz about uploading three years in advance, that would be a significant increase in prediction usefulness.

Comment author: Lumifer 19 October 2013 02:33:01AM 2 points [-]

That doesn't sound realistic to me. It sounds impossible.

Comment author: BaconServ 19 October 2013 02:56:01AM 0 points [-]

It may be impossible even with significant effort, but it's certainly impossible without having first tried. I want to know, if nothing else, the limits of reasonable prediction. That itself would be useful information. Even if we can never get past 50% accuracy for predictions, knowing that all such predictions can only be 50% likely is actionable in the presence of any such prediction.

Comment author: Lumifer 19 October 2013 03:06:38AM 2 points [-]

I want to know, if nothing else, the limits of reasonable prediction.

These are very much domain-specific plus are the function of available technology.

You seem to want psychohistory -- unfortunately it's entirely fiction.

Comment author: BaconServ 19 October 2013 03:20:25AM 0 points [-]

I want exactly as I've stated: Research into a method.

Comment author: Lumifer 19 October 2013 03:25:22AM 1 point [-]

So, um... go for it?

Comment author: BaconServ 19 October 2013 03:27:37AM 0 points [-]

I'm afraid that the only methods I can think up require vast collection of many different types of data, far beyond what I can currently manage myself.

Comment author: Lumifer 19 October 2013 03:45:28AM *  1 point [-]

Well then, I can only assure you that I'm certain such research is being actively conducted. I'm pretty sure the Three-Letter Agencies are very much interested in prediction. Any political organisation is very much interested in prediction. Anyone who plays in the financial markets is very much interested in prediction. So no, it doesn't look like there are too few resources committed to this problem.

Unfortunately, the problem seems to be really hard.

Comment author: bokov 19 October 2013 05:10:47AM -1 points [-]

Actually, there are prediction markets. Unfortunately the most useful one, Intrade got closed (maybe the three-letter-agencies felt threatened?) but hopefully there will be others. Oh, far from accurate, don't get me wrong.

But at least if you wanted to have some kind of starting estimate for something you knew nothing about, you could sometimes find one at Intrade.

Comment author: BaconServ 19 October 2013 05:18:09AM 0 points [-]

I suspect it closed because it wasn't giving the kind of powerful results necessary to get funding-type attention. I suppose to start off, a prediction agency should predict its own success. :P

Now I'm curious about any self-referential predictions Intrade made...