faul_sname comments on What do we already have right? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: faul_sname 24 November 2013 10:53:22PM 4 points [-]
  • If something happens, that's evidence that it can happen.
  • If something has happened a bunch in the past, that's good evidence that it will happen again in the future.
  • Anything that goes by the label of "common sense"
Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 24 November 2013 11:43:02PM *  15 points [-]

Anything that goes by the label of "common sense"

... and is correct.

Comment author: faul_sname 25 November 2013 12:12:29AM 4 points [-]

Touche.

Comment author: Eitan_Zohar 25 November 2013 12:33:08AM *  2 points [-]

I may be prattling on about something I don't know jack about, but I don't think all philosophers accept induction as a valid principle.

Comment author: faul_sname 25 November 2013 05:24:32PM 6 points [-]

are there a few rational principles that most people already have down?

Most people aren't philosophers who reject the principle of induction.

Comment author: Eitan_Zohar 25 November 2013 07:43:20PM 1 point [-]

Wasn't the question about what they have right?

Comment author: faul_sname 26 November 2013 12:19:59AM 0 points [-]

Yes. And, conditional on induction being valid, everyone who doesn't reject induction gets it right. And very few people reject induction.

Comment author: Nate_Gabriel 25 November 2013 01:29:44AM 2 points [-]

I'm sure there are philosophers who say they don't, but I guarantee you they act as if they do. Even if they don't know anything about electronics, they'd still expect the light to come on when they flip the switch.

Comment author: Eitan_Zohar 25 November 2013 02:23:19AM 2 points [-]

That's... not really an argument. Of course everyone has to act pragmatically; we wouldn't even be able to think if we didn't. But that's quite different from establishing the validity of the principle itself.

Comment author: Nate_Gabriel 25 November 2013 03:47:44AM 2 points [-]

Well, it doesn't establish that induction is always valid, so I guess we might not really be disagreeing. But, pragmatically, everyone basically has to assume that it usually works, or is likely to work in whatever the particular case is. I think it's a good enough heuristic to be called a rational principle that people already have down.

Comment author: Eitan_Zohar 25 November 2013 05:38:29AM *  -1 points [-]

OK, forget it.

Comment author: Fhyve 25 November 2013 06:56:45AM 0 points [-]

I disagree with "common sense." In my experience, when questioning people about what they mean by common sense, I find that they usually mean "general principles that seem like obviously correct to me." And that doesn't even guarantee that they are correct.