Benito comments on Rationality Quotes December 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Benito 15 December 2013 05:58:36PM 3 points [-]

You seem to miss Dennett's point: the guy wasn't there because he cared about having a good epistemology, an accurate theory of the world - it's merely what everyone else is doing at the minute, and so he's doing it too.

Comment author: alex_zag_al 16 December 2013 04:31:32PM 5 points [-]

He was there because at the time, you needed an epistemology to be taken seriously as a literary theorist. Good. Literary theorists probably need epistemologies.

What I'm saying is maybe this fashion, as Dennett calls it, is functional. Maybe it's popular for a very good reason. The way falsifiability is popular in science, for example.. Can't it be a good thing that the theorist is responding to a pressure in his field?

... not really... if he's not actually motivated by the additional rightness you can get with a theory of knowledge, then, why would he choose a good theory of knowledge instead of a cool one? I think I see what you're saying now.

Comment author: Benito 16 December 2013 06:16:09PM 2 points [-]

Yes, that's what this line is about:

It didn't matter to him that it be sound, or defensible, or (as one might as well say) true; it just had to be new and different and stylish.

Also, saying that literary theorists need good epistemologies because it's crucial to their job is... Something you should offer a fair bit of evidence for. I don't see the relationship at all - other than the general use of believing true over false things.

Comment author: alex_zag_al 17 December 2013 06:31:06PM *  2 points [-]

... I completely missed that line when I read the quote. This is embarrassing.

And I don't have a fair bit of evidence for it, all I have is

  • literary theorists are pretty smart and apparently they thought it was necessary

  • an epistemology is good for recognizing meaningless or unknowable claims, and from the little I've seen of literary theory a lot of the claims looked like that on the surface

that was enough to make me think it was possible that Daniel Dannett was just being a jerk. Because I missed the part of the quote about how the literary theorist didn't care about getting the right epistemology. I thought he was just making fun of the literary theorist for responding to pressure within his field, because it looked to him like following a fashion. Again. Not something I still believe. It's because I missed that part of the quote.