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Comment author: ChrisHallquist 30 December 2013 04:12:55PM 7 points [-]

I've heard "Eat Less Exercise More" hundreds of times from tons of people. All the time.

As I'll discuss in the next post, it's good advice. And contrary to what Taubes wants you to think, perfectly compatible with recognizing that the causes of obesity are complicated.

Taubes is attacking "nutrition experts" and the people who make the food pyramid, not elite obesity researchers.

The views Taubes attributes to "nutrition experts" are not only not the views of elite obesity researchers, they're not the views of the FDA, Surgeon General, or anyone else he attributes them to.

I get that you don't like his popsci "I'm a rebel" style...

It's not his style I don't like. It's the substantive and wildly false claims he's making.

...but that should've taken at most 1 post to say.

Some people take Taubes very seriously as a source of scientific information about nutrition, and unless it were a very long post, those people wouldn't have been satisfied.

Comment author: brazil84 31 December 2013 12:44:16AM 2 points [-]

As I'll discuss in the next post, it's good advice. [Eat Less Exercise More]

Well I hope that you will define ELEM very carefully in assessing it. For example, does the Hacker's Diet by John Walker qualify as "Eat Less Exercise More"? Arguably it does since Walker advocates carefully counting your calories and being careful to eat less than your daily metabolic requirements. But at the same time, the Hacker's Diet is a lot more specific than simply Eat Less Exercise More. As a practical matter, the simple advice to "Eat Less Exercise More" is too vague to be of much value.

And what about diets which achieve (or are claimed to achieve) ELEM indirectly? For example, the Shangri La diet. Do those count as "Eat Less Exercise More."?

If you read ELEM broadly enough, you could simply take it to mean "Avoid diet strategies which entail regular consumption of excess calories." Which is surely good advice but if that's what you mean you need to spell it out.