Eugine_Nier comments on 2013 Survey Results - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 29 January 2014 03:20:50AM -2 points [-]

In contrast, you can treat "We should make sure women remain barefoot and pregnant" as a claim in need of evidence, and in this case we can establish it as false. Most obviously because the proposed situation would not be very good for women

That's just looking at one of the direct consequences, accepting for the sake of argument that most women would prefer not to be "barefoot and pregnant". The problem is that, for these kinds of major social changes, the direct effects tend to be dominated by indirect effects and your argument makes no attempt to analyze the indirect effects.

Comment author: nshepperd 29 January 2014 04:14:59AM *  2 points [-]

Technically you are correct, so you can read my above argument as figuratively "accurate to one decimal place". The important thing is that there's nothing mysterious going on here in a linguistic or metaethical sense.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 30 January 2014 02:47:56AM 0 points [-]

But in a practical sense these things can't be computed from first principals, so it is necessary to rely on tradition at least to some extent.

Comment author: [deleted] 30 January 2014 07:32:01AM *  1 point [-]

I partly agree, but a tradition that developed under certain conditions isn't necessarily optimal under different conditions (e.g. much better technology and medicine, less need for manual labour, fewer stupid people (at least for now), etc.).

Otherwise, we'd be even better off just executing our evolved adaptations, which had even more time to develop.

Comment author: [deleted] 29 January 2014 05:08:01PM 0 points [-]

accepting for the sake of argument that most women would prefer not to be "barefoot and pregnant"

<not totally serious>Revealed preferences of women buying shoes and contraception?</not totally serious>

Comment author: Lumifer 29 January 2014 05:23:51PM 0 points [-]

accepting for the sake of argument that most women would prefer not to be "barefoot and pregnant".

Depends on the context :-D In China a few centuries ago a woman quite reasonably might prefer to be barefoot (as opposed to have her feet tightly bound to disfigure them) and pregnant (as opposed to barren which made her socially worthless).