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No. That doesn't sound right. We are no looking for Alpha<->Omega i.e. graduation of success at dominance.
We are looking at genuinely desireable (for men) but orthogonal properties in woman.
Men: Alpha = Capability to control others, Beta = capability to provide and care for children
Women: Alpha = Beauty?, Capability to influence others?, Beta = Health? Practical intelligence?
"Genuinely desirable" seems like the problem here, in that it's conflating base sexual attraction with a more pragmatic evaluation of someone's prospects.
Beta males certainly have many admirable qualities; they're reliable productive and civil, usually friendly and loyal as well. But those qualities, while again being very important, are simply not attractive.
Alpha males, on the other hand, are really quite a menace. The Dark Triad traits which make them attractive also mean they are shiftless and poor contributors to society, at least for the most part.
Hence the pattern of "Alpha fucks, Beta bucks." Women want to get the Alpha but will, if forced to by circumstances, trade sex to Betas for resources / security.
In that context, female "Betas" would be the low-risk women men settle for reluctantly while "Alphas" would be high-risk women who are highly sought after.
Any examples ? Even fictional evidence ?
Can you rephrase? I don't understand what this means.
Basis is the interpretation of Alpha/Beta citend by Viliam_Bur from e.g. here: http://marriedmansexlife.com/take-the-red-pill/alpha-and-beta-male-traits/ Where Alpha and Beta traits are orthogonal and both independently desirable (not Alpha good, Beta bad).
I am am correspondingly looking for alike orthogonal traits in women that are both independently desirable for men.
Candidate womens traits could be:
The questions is: Are these actually clustered into two orthogonal features? I cannot see such a clustering. And I also see no clear evopsych reason for it.
Ah, I see.
Well, I can come up with pairs of orthogonal traits, but I don't know why would you call them Alpha and Beta. These terms are pretty solidly associated with dominance/status.
But if you want to make up an orthogonal pair, sure: Alpha = sexiness, ability to turn heads on the street, good in bed, bombshell. Beta = keeping house, being a good mother, a good cook.
The parallel is that Alpha qualities make you noticed and attract potential mates while Beta qualities keep them over the long term.