drethelin comments on White Lies - Less Wrong

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Comment author: drethelin 10 February 2014 07:19:38AM 16 points [-]

An emotional response to your statement is not indiscriminate braindumping. I'm not talking about always saying whatever happens to be in my mind at any time. Since I've probably already compromised any chance of going to a rationalist dinner party by being in favor of polite lies, I might as well elaborate: I think your policy is insanely idealistic. I think less of you for having it. But I don't think enough less of you not to want to be around you and I think it's very likely plenty of people you hang out with lie all the time in the style of the top level post and just don't talk to you about it. We know that humans are moist robots and react to stimuli. We know the placebo effect exists. We know people can fake confidence and smiles and turn them real. But consequentialist arguments in favor of untruths don't work on a deontologist. I guess mostly I'm irate at the idea that social circles I want to move in can or should be policed by your absurdity.

I don't think the above constitutes an indiscriminate braindump but I don't think it would be good to say to anyone face to face and I don't actually feel confident it's good to say online.

Comment author: SaidAchmiz 10 February 2014 04:17:21PM *  6 points [-]

I guess mostly I'm irate at the idea that social circles I want to move in can or should be policed by your absurdity.

Upvoted for the entire comment, but especially this.

But consequentialist arguments in favor of untruths don't work on a deontologist.

And this.

Comment author: Sarokrae 11 February 2014 12:31:57AM 7 points [-]

This is a summary reasonably close to my opinion.

In particular, outright denouncement of ordinary social norms of the sort used by (and wired into) most flesh people, and endorsement of an alternative system involving much more mental exhaustion for the likes of people like me, feels so much like defecting that I would avoid interacting with any person signalling such opinions.

Comment author: moridinamael 13 February 2014 08:47:00PM 2 points [-]

Incidentally (well after this thread has sort of petered out) I feel the same sort of skepticism or perhaps unenthusiasm about Tell Culture. My summarized thought which applied to both that and this would be, "Yes, neat idea for a science fiction story, but that's not how humans work."