blacktrance comments on White Lies - Less Wrong

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Comment author: blacktrance 11 February 2014 12:19:09AM 0 points [-]

I don't think such lies are particularly wrong, but they aren't the best way to go about dealing with the situation. Not that telling them the truth is better, because it leads to them acting as you describe. I think it's best to say "I don't want to talk about that" or "That's personal", and shame them if they pry.

In the interests of full disclosure, I should say that I'm not close to any of my relatives.

Comment author: SaidAchmiz 11 February 2014 12:42:01AM *  1 point [-]

Heh. "I don't want to talk about that" or "That's personal" don't come anywhere close to working in certain cultures (by which I mean both the unique culture specific to a family, and cultural groups such as e.g. Ashkenazi Jews — the archetypal Jewish mother who says "So, are you meeting any nice girls? What do you mean it's none of my business?? Of course it's my business! I'm your mother!" etc. etc.).

Edit: What's with the downvotes all over this thread...?

Comment author: blacktrance 11 February 2014 12:51:32AM 0 points [-]

If it doesn't work, I recommend ending the conversation, saying something like, "If you're not going to respect my boundaries, I'm not going to talk to you".

This doesn't apply if you're financially dependent on said relative. If so, go ahead and lie as much as you need to.

Comment author: SaidAchmiz 11 February 2014 12:57:08AM 1 point [-]

Yeah, I have heard this sort of recommendation. I... don't think I've ever actually seen anyone use it. I don't know, it could be a good one. It's a rather harsh thing to say, though, especially to, say, one's grandmother. I don't think I could do it.

I guess the point is, sometimes, not lying is hard? (If you're the type to take an absolute stance against lying, your response might be along the lines of "Yes, doing the right thing is hard. That makes it no less right." I remain... unconvinced.)

Comment author: blacktrance 11 February 2014 01:47:05AM 0 points [-]

I've come close to using it, and it just approaching it has been enough to get people to back down. In the long run, it teaches them not to ask you about those things, which is what you want. I can see it being rather harsh, though. I guess I have some difficulty imagining being in an interpersonal relationship in which I both feel strongly positively towards a person (enough to make me reluctant to say something like that) and at the same time having things that I have to lie about.