eli_sennesh comments on Rationality Quotes February 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: EGarrett 08 February 2014 04:26:32AM *  0 points [-]

There are all manner of ways that message boards do their formatting and give information about their formatting. "Help" buttons, absent any additional labeling, aren't necessarily quick formatting lists, they might talk about dozens of things that people may require help with, such as forum standards of conduct, how the rules for thread starting, karma, your personal page and so on function before they get to such smaller issues, if they do so at all. Likewise, formatting itself may simply rely on users being already familiar with HTML tags or bracket-style functions. So absent your pre-existing knowledge of where it is, it is not so automatically clear to those who are new.

Please keep this in mind when you speak to others in the future, as your incorrect hindsight bias appears to have effected your tone.

Comment author: wedrifid 08 February 2014 05:22:21AM *  -2 points [-]

There are all manner of ways that message boards do their formatting and give information about their formatting. "

I know. This is why my instructions consisted of new information. You expressed ignorance (by way of excuse). That's fine, once. And by social convention in exchange for not getting downvoted to oblivion for yelling, that expression of ignorance obligates you to listen when you get an explanation you prompted with some modicum of grace. It isn't condescension if you literally ask for it.

It so happens that it took me several years before it occurred to me that the 'help' button showed formatting help. Prior to that I referred people to the markdown boards after deducing what formatting system was being used by googling what how reddit-clones work. When I say "you now have" I meant that literally, with the direct implication "you did not previously have".

Please keep this in mind when you speak to others in the future, as your incorrect hindsight bias appears to have effected your tone.

Your mind reading is flawed. (Come to think of it, it is verifiably flawed. If we really cared we could look at the public record of conversations held in past "welcome, formatting guide" discussions.)

Now, let me revise my earlier instruction to something more appropriate to someone with your tone, so that we are abundantly clear. It'll also give you some much needed contrast so you will be better able to identify actual abrasive tone. I do use it (and endorse it) sometimes, just not in response to implied format guide queries. Typically it is in response to people combining aggression or condescension with being wrong.

Please do not YELL at people on this forum. Ignorance was once an excuse but only barely... it was still lazy, unnecessary and mildly disrespectful. People write entire novels without without once relying on formatting for emphasis and their books tend to be better for it. Now you have been given simple instructions that take only several seconds to follow continuing to do so would be obnoxious and treated as a defection against the community.

Comment author: EGarrett 08 February 2014 06:32:08AM -1 points [-]

No, I'm sorry, but this nonsense is not worth the digression.

Earlier in this topic I noticed already that you used the term "ceretus paribus," which is flat-out wrong. The term is "ceteris paribus." I could just as easily have replied to you in a snide manner telling you to go to google and put in that word you found and "now you know not to say that again." But I choose not to because it's not necessary or constructive to address people that way, and when viewed in the proper light, you understand that a simple overlap of one's knowledge where someone else lacks knowledge is not evidence nor justification for me to try to speak down to them.

Please learn this and figure out how to conduct yourself better in the future in your interactions with people.