Coscott comments on Open Thread for February 11 - 17 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Coscott 12 February 2014 01:46:04AM 1 point [-]

I don't know of a human-independent definition of consciousness, do you?

Integrated Information Theory is one attempt at a definition. I read about it a little, but not enough to determine if it is completely crazy.

Comment author: fluchess 12 February 2014 02:49:20AM 1 point [-]

IIT is provides a mathematical approach to measuring consciousness. It is not crazy, and has a significant number of good papers on the topic. It is human-independent

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 12 February 2014 09:43:39AM *  0 points [-]

I don't understand it, but from reading the wikipedia summary it seems to me it measures a complexity of the system. A complexity is not necessarily consciousness.

According to this theory, what is the key difference between a human brain, and... let's say a hard disk of the same capacity, connected to a high-resolution camera? Let's assume that the data from the camera are being written in real time to pseudo-random parts of the hard disk. The pseudo-random parts are chosen by calculating a checksum of the whole hard disk. This system obviously is not conscious, but seems complex enough.

Comment author: fluchess 12 February 2014 12:26:21PM 1 point [-]

IIT proposes that consciousness is integrated information.

The key difference between a brain and the hard disk is the disk has no way of knowing what it is actually sensing. Brain can tell difference between many more sense and receive and use more forms of information. The camera is not conscious of the fact it sensing light and colour.

This article is a good introduction to the topic and the photodiode example in the paper is the simple version of your question http://www.biolbull.org/content/215/3/216.full

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 12 February 2014 09:50:18PM 1 point [-]

Thanks! The article was good. At this moment, I am... not convinced, but also not able to find an obvious error.