fluchess comments on Open Thread for February 11 - 17 - Less Wrong

3 Post author: Coscott 11 February 2014 06:08PM

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Comment author: fluchess 12 February 2014 03:03:45AM 2 points [-]

I participated in an economics experiment a few days ago, and one of the tasks was as follows. Choose one of the following gambles where each outcome has 50% probability Option 1: $4 definitely Option 2: $6 or $3 Option 3: $8 or $2 Option 4: $10 or $1 Option 5: $12 or $0

I choose option 5 as it has the highest expected value. Asymptotically this is the best option but for a single trial, is it still the best option?

Comment author: Coscott 12 February 2014 03:14:32AM 13 points [-]

Technically, it depends on your utility function. However, even without knowing your utility function, I can say that for such a low amount of money, your utility function is very close to linear, and option 5 is the best.

Comment author: PECOS-9 12 February 2014 03:36:41AM 2 points [-]

More info: marginal utility

Comment author: jkrause 12 February 2014 07:16:37AM 9 points [-]

Here's one interesting way of viewing it that I once read:

Suppose that the option you chose, rather than being a single trial, were actually 1,000 trials. Then, risk averse or not, Option 5 is clearly the best approach. The only difficulty, then, is that we're considering a single trial in isolation. However, when you consider all such risks you might encounter in a long period of time (e.g. your life), then the situation becomes much closer to the 1,000 trial case, and so you should always take the highest expected value option (unless the amounts involved are absolutely huge, as others have pointed out).

Comment author: EGarrett 12 February 2014 04:46:07AM 3 points [-]

As a poker player, the idea we always batted back and forth was that Expected Value doesn't change over shorter sample sizes, including a single trial. However you may have a risk of ruin or some external factor (like if you're poor and given the option of being handed $1,000,000 or flipping a coin to win $2,000,001).

Barring that, if you're only interested in maximizing your result, you should follow EV. Even in a single trial.

Comment author: Lumifer 12 February 2014 03:09:04AM 3 points [-]

That depends on your utility function, specifically your risk tolerance. If you're risk-neutral, option 5 has the highest value, otherwise it depends.

Comment author: Dagon 12 February 2014 09:01:53AM 1 point [-]

Clearly option 5 has the higest mean outcome. If you value money linearly (that is, $12 is exactly 3 times as good as $4, and there's no special utility threshold along the way (or disutility at $0), it's the best option.

For larger values, your value for money may be nonlinear (meaning: the difference between $0 and $50k may be much much larger than the difference between $500k and $550k to your happiness), and then you'll need to convert the payouts to subjective value before doing the calculation. Likewise if you're in a special circumstance where there's a threshold value that has special value to you - if you need $3 for bus fare home, then option 1 or 2 become much more attractive.

Comment author: DanielLC 16 February 2014 07:15:20AM 0 points [-]

That depends on the amount of background money and randomness you have.

Although I can't really see any case where I wouldn't pick option five. Even if that's all the money I will ever have, my lifespan, and by extension my happiness, will be approximately linear with time.

If you specify that I get that much money each day for the rest of my life, and that's all I get, then I'd go for something lower risk.

Comment author: jobe_smith 14 February 2014 02:12:57PM -1 points [-]

In general, picking the highest EV option makes sense, but in the context of what sounds like a stupid/lazy economics experiment, you have a moral duty to do the wrong thing. Perhaps you could have flipped a coin twice to choose among the first 4 options? That way you are providing crappy/useless data and they have to pay you for it!

Comment author: fluchess 15 February 2014 04:03:57AM 0 points [-]

Why do I have a moral duty to do wrong thing? Shouldn't I act in my own self interest to maximise the amount of money I make?