Lumifer comments on Is my view contrarian? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jiro 12 March 2014 06:45:45PM 1 point [-]

First of all, it seems like the mechanisms for this happening are different for science. One rarely sees scientific ideas spread by conquest, or by the kind of social pressure brought to bear by religions. Nobody gets told by their mother to believe Newton's Laws every week at college in the way they might be told to go to Mass.

Second, everyone is (according to religion) supposed to believe in and live by religion, whether they are educated or not. I'd have greater expectations that beliefs associated with education are geographically limited.

Comment author: Lumifer 12 March 2014 08:00:36PM 3 points [-]

One rarely sees scientific ideas spread by conquest

Except when a more-scientific society kicks the hell out of the less-scientific society and takes it over (or, maybe, just takes over its land and women). Science is very helpful for building weapons.

Comment author: Strange7 13 March 2014 05:26:45AM 2 points [-]

In those situations, though, the conquering force usually makes a point to avoid letting their core scientific insights spread, lest the tables turn.

Comment author: Lumifer 13 March 2014 03:07:05PM 0 points [-]

the conquering force usually makes a point to avoid letting their core scientific insights spread, lest the tables turn.

Only if the conquered society survives. Often it doesn't -- look at what happened in the Americas.

Comment author: Strange7 15 March 2014 08:23:42AM 3 points [-]

That seems like a subset, not an exception. A conquered society which doesn't survive is certainly not going to be adopting higher-tech weapons.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 18 March 2014 03:16:28AM 0 points [-]

Well that didn't stop Japan from getting western advisers to help with it's modernization after Perry opened it.

Comment author: newerspeak 18 March 2014 05:33:28AM 1 point [-]
Comment author: TheAncientGeek 12 March 2014 08:35:16PM 0 points [-]

Science =/= technology. Profoundly anti scientific movements can make their point using tech. .bought on the open market.