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14 Post author: Viliam_Bur 08 June 2014 10:08AM

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Comment author: [deleted] 14 June 2014 04:27:27AM *  5 points [-]

I received negative 111 (-111) karma in my first 5 hours of posting on lesswrong. it looks like i've set myself up to learn a lot here.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 14 June 2014 08:02:05AM *  6 points [-]

Looking at your comments, seems like the problem was (1) posting in ancient threads, (2) at dozen threads at a time, with (3) blocks of text that seems like copied from Wikipedia or somewhere. Each one of these three things could be okay in isolation in a proper context, but together they are unbearable. It feels like being spammed by a "random Wikipedia quote"-bot.

A large body of evidence[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][7][8][9][10] has established that a defining characteristic of cognitive biases is that they manifest automatically and unconsciously over a wide range of human reasoning, so even those aware of the existence of the phenomenon are unable to detect, let alone mitigate, their manifestation via awareness only.

This is one of the worst examples. Since the hyperlinks don't work there, how does posting the numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 contribute to the discussion? (Appeal to authority or popularity, perhaps?) Or were you just too lazy to spend 10 seconds editing your comment? You could have posted at least a link to the original source so the curious readers could trace the links.

Also, I think this specific quote actually does not say the thing you use it to support. It says that cognitive biases cannot be overcome via awareness only. (As in: "you spend an afternoon casually reading a book by Dan Ariely, and all your biases are magically cured.") It doesn't say congnitive biases can't be mitigated at all. Actually, if you scroll down the Wikipedia page you quoted, there is a "Cognitive bias mitigation to date" section, which is kinda the thing we talk about at Overcoming Bias and Less Wrong.

More optimistically, if you focus on the current discussion threads, I think your karma will be okay. At least people will be more likely to reply to your comments, instead of just downvoting, so you will get feedback. Also, when you are writing a comment, click on the "Show help" below the edit box, and there is some elementary Markdown syntax. You can also fix the comment by clicking the "Edit" button after you submit it. For example:

> this is a quoted text.
This is a [hyperlink](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperlink).
Comment author: [deleted] 14 June 2014 01:09:33PM 1 point [-]

Thanks for the thoughtful suggestions. I can commit to them all in my future posts.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 17 June 2014 02:40:04PM 3 points [-]

I think you should also stop creating wiki pages with content like this:

The intropection illusion is the illusion that people have mental states - that their beliefs are physical things that actually exist rather than just mental masturbation at best.

Honestly, I think you should avoid editing wiki at all. At least, until you succeed to raise your total comment karma above zero.

Comment author: [deleted] 17 June 2014 04:10:29PM *  0 points [-]

Okay. I don't think I'm having a positive impact here. I don't think lesswrong and rationality are for me. Good luck with the stuff you guys believe in. I'm gonna delete my account now.

edit: does someone know how to delete my wiki account too? i'll delete this and check back to find out how to delete that if it doesn't get deleted along with thiss.

Comment author: Jiro 14 June 2014 09:11:25AM *  1 point [-]

The quotes are a lot of it, I'd wager.

e-and-e: This is a site for discussion. If you say things, you are expected to say them in your own words. Quotes are occasionally useful to help with this, but if everything you say is more than 50% made up of quotes, it suggests that you don't understand the quoted material well enough to say it in your own words, to quote only relevant text, or to be able to defend the ideas from the quote yourself. And frankly, that suggestion is looking pretty correct from where I'm sitting.