chaosmage comments on Separating university education from grading - Less Wrong

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Comment author: chaosmage 04 July 2014 10:58:08AM 2 points [-]

The system is of course hard to change, since there are lots of vested interests that don't want it to change.

Not if you do something that requires no-ones permission. My suggestion is a public database that lists courses, degree programs or other products of formal education, and lists how many of the participants fail vs. how many get the degree/certificate/whatever.

With somebody who wants to radically reform education (like Peter Thiel) throwing a moderate amount of money at it, this should be very doable. And it has two groups of customers: Students will want to look up the stats before they start something, and employers will want to see how much of a selection is actually proven by a given degree/certificate/whatever. While you're at it, maybe also list average time to completion, price, prerequisites to participation and whatever else helps either or both of these customers.

With enough political influence, I believe the best reform would be to mandate that each programme of higher education has to fail at least a defined fraction (say a third) of the applicants. That's what they do for driver license tests in Germany, and it makes the faculty/students non-aggression pact quite impossible. (Of course it only works if trying a second or third time incurs nontrivial extra cost.)

Comment author: ChristianKl 04 July 2014 12:10:06PM 4 points [-]

With enough political influence, I believe the best reform would be to mandate that each programme of higher education has to fail at least a defined fraction (say a third) of the applicants.

That discourages students from cooperating. Students will help struggling class mates less when it's in their interests that those classmates fail the class.

Comment author: chaosmage 04 July 2014 12:50:54PM 0 points [-]

That's correct. But I would argue that in many cases, we don't need students to cooperate as much as we need them to compete.

Or when groups of students work on a project together, the intensified competition could happen at the group level, like competition between companies.

Comment author: bramflakes 05 July 2014 09:39:11PM 0 points [-]

In the UK there are plenty of such databases, but I don't know how much of an impact they've had.