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36 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 07 November 2007 07:47AM

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Comment author: Caledonian2 09 November 2007 12:02:49AM 1 point [-]

Once you are dealing with hominids, which may be the most important example, indeed "enforcement" may well be important. There is a growing lit on how reciprocal altruism ultimately depends on punishment of free riders, that is, enforcement.

Really? I'd thought that was generally understood - that was the whole point of Tit for Tat, after all, that it could both reward cooperative behavior and punish defection. One without the other is useless: kindness without cruelty is weak, cruelty without kindness self-destructs.

But the point I'm trying to get across isn't about altruism, but group-friendly behavior in general. Altruism is an important subcategory, certainly, but there's a wider case to be made.

And Eliezer is STILL wrong in his earlier quoted statement. Why am I not surprised?