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36 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 07 November 2007 07:47AM

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Comment author: martino 06 January 2008 11:11:00PM 0 points [-]

Hi Eliezar

Two questions
1) Which equation in the D.S. Wilson paper are referring to with your C/B < Fst equation formula relates to the paper, this look more like Hmailton's equation which Wilson is, indirectly, criticizing and trying to show that this (kin selection) is a sub-set of multi-level selection. Where are the two levels of selection in this equation which is the key basis for modern group selection formulations?

2) Why not use a criticism of group selection based on claims that are currently being made rather than a discredited scenario (Wynn-Edwards argument here - which he thinks can now be rehabilitated but this is a minority position) such as Wilson and HĂƒÂślldobler's work on insects? The scenario you used looks is misleading as most modern group (multi-level) selectionists would not refer to such a scenario and explanation for support.