Azathoth123 comments on Open thread, September 8-14, 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Azathoth123 13 September 2014 02:07:45AM 4 points [-]

Keep in mind that the outside view of biological complexity is that

The known unknowns have tended to end up lower in complexity than we've predicted. But unknown unknowns continue to blindside us, unabated, adding to the total complexity of the human body.

Or to phrase this another way:

people accurately estimate the total complexity and then apportion it among the known unknowns, thus creating an overestimate.

Comment author: gwern 14 September 2014 09:35:19PM 2 points [-]

I don't think the outside view is relevant here. We have coming up on a century of twin studies and behavioral genetics and very motivated people coming up with possibilities for problems, and so far the traditional estimates are looking pretty good: for example, when people go and look at genetics directly, the estimates for simple additive heritability look very similar to the traditional estimates. The other day offered an example of a SNP study confirming the estimates from twin studies, "Substantial SNP-based heritability estimates for working memory performance", Vogler et al 2014. If all these complexities were real and serious problems and the Outside View advises us to be skeptical, why do we keep finding the SNP/GCTA estimates look exactly like we would have predicted?

Comment author: Azathoth123 15 September 2014 02:46:58AM 3 points [-]

Ok, I confess I have no idea what SNP and GCTA are. As for the study Lumifer linked to, Razib Khan's analysis of it is that it suggests intelligence is a complex polygenetic trait. This should not be surprising as it is certainly an extremely complex trait in terms of phenotype.