NancyLebovitz comments on Open thread, Oct. 6 - Oct. 12, 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 06 October 2014 02:12:44PM 10 points [-]

Tentatively: that tolerance and intolerance of strangers should be a matter of law rather than local impulse.

Comment author: Lumifer 06 October 2014 03:12:54PM 3 points [-]

What do you mean?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 06 October 2014 03:41:42PM 5 points [-]

Strangers may not have been the best choice of word, but what I meant is that how people who were in more or less outgroups were treated wasn't so much a matter of public policy. They might be accepted. They might be murdered sporadically. There was no affirmative action, no Jim Crow laws. There were pogroms, but no holocaust.

Comment author: Lumifer 06 October 2014 03:50:06PM 3 points [-]

So, basically, that people-not-from-my-tribe should not be "outlaws" (in the original sense of "outside of the law")? Essentially, you are talking about the idea of law which covers everyone regardless of who/what they are?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 06 October 2014 03:57:02PM 3 points [-]

Not just that-- instead of just having relations between people shake out under a neutral law, it's assumed that the government can achieve something better than neutrality.

Comment author: Lumifer 06 October 2014 04:33:50PM 1 point [-]

In the general case, what is "better than neutrality"?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 06 October 2014 05:41:49PM 2 points [-]

I don't know whether there is anything better than neutrality, but a great many people seem to think there is.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 08 October 2014 04:05:48PM 5 points [-]

The ideal existed since antiquity, but — as today — wasn't consistently practiced.


"Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt." — Exodus 22:21

"The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." — Leviticus 19:34

"And I charged your judges at that time, 'Hear the disputes between your people and judge fairly, whether the case is between two Israelites or between an Israelite and a foreigner residing among you.'" — Deuteronomy 1:16

(All quotations NIV.)

Comment author: bogus 11 October 2014 09:49:22PM *  1 point [-]

The classical world also had related norms of xenia and hospitium.