Bugmaster comments on On Caring - Less Wrong

99 Post author: So8res 15 October 2014 01:59AM

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Comment author: Bugmaster 08 October 2014 11:20:18PM 2 points [-]

You are saying that shminux is "a worse person than you" and also "heartless", but I am not sure what these words mean. How do you measure which person is better as compared to another person ? If the answer is, "whoever cares about more people is better", then all you're saying is, "shminux cares about fewer people because he cares about fewer people". This is true, but tautologically so.

Comment author: roryokane 16 October 2014 07:27:40PM 0 points [-]

All morals are axioms, not theorems, and thus all moral claims are tautological.

Whatever morals we choose, we are driven to choose them by the morals we already have – the ones we were born with and raised to have. We did not get our morals from an objective external source. So no matter what your morals, if you condemn someone else by them, your condemnation will be tautoligcal.

Comment author: lackofcheese 17 October 2014 02:57:07PM 3 points [-]

I don't agree.

Yes, at some level there are basic moral claims that behave like axioms, but many moral claims are much more like theorems than axioms.

Derived moral claims also depend upon factual information about the real world, and thus they can be false if they are based on incorrect beliefs about reality.