Jiro comments on On Caring - Less Wrong

99 Post author: So8res 15 October 2014 01:59AM

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Comment author: Jiro 17 October 2014 04:37:04PM *  0 points [-]

Nice try, but even if my utility for oiled birds was as nonlinear as most people's utility for money is, the fact that there are many more oiled birds than I'm considering saving means that what you need to compare is (say) U(54,700 oiled birds), U(54,699 oiled birds), and U(53,699 oiled birds)

Nonlinear in what?

Daniel's utility for dollars is nonlinear in the total number of dollars that he has, not in the total number of dollars in the world. Likewise, his utility for birds is nonlinear in the total number of birds that he has saved, not in the total number of birds that exist in the world.

(Actually, I'd expect it to have two components, one of which is nonlinear in the number of birds he has saved and another of which is nonlinear in the total number of birds in the world. However, the second factor would be negligibly small in most situations.)

Comment author: [deleted] 18 October 2014 07:49:21AM 0 points [-]

IOW he doesn't actually care about the birds, he cares about himself.

Comment author: Jiro 18 October 2014 09:23:49AM 0 points [-]

He has a utility function that is larger when more birds are saved. If this doesn't count as caring about the birds, your definition of "cares about the birds" is very arbitrary.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 October 2014 12:45:19PM 0 points [-]

He has a utility function that is larger when more birds are saved.

He has a utility function that is larger when he saves more birds; birds saved by other people don't count.

Comment author: Jiro 19 October 2014 03:33:59PM 0 points [-]

If it has two components, they do count, just not by much.