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Comment author: lmm 14 October 2014 08:08:41PM 2 points [-]

Givewell already analyzes the effectiveness of various charities, so I'd start there.

Comment author: slutbunwaller 14 October 2014 08:54:08PM 1 point [-]

I don't agree with their emphasis on direct cash transfers. It reminds me of the Canadian Revenue Agency's statement that "preventing poverty is not charity, only relieving it." Givewell has always struck me as being more concerned about balancing one's karma than actually causing lasting improvement anywhere. That's just my perception, though.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 15 October 2014 02:25:06AM 6 points [-]

It's really hard to measure lasting improvements, which does bias the choice of interventions Givewell considers, but they endorse direct transfers because it has been shown to be more effective at lasting improvements than other things they've considered.

Comment author: slutbunwaller 16 October 2014 02:21:10PM 1 point [-]

Lasting improvements for whom? Measured how?

Not addressing the underlying issues means there is no stem to the "supply" (so to speak) of people requiring charitable help.

Comment author: ea247 28 October 2014 06:02:26PM 0 points [-]

They measured the outcomes of cash transfers by asking them tons of questions about their happiness and their increase in assets a year later. Happiness questions include things like "how often in the last week have you felt hopeless?"; "How often in the last week have you felt happy?"; "How would you rate your satisfaction with life as whole?". It increased their happiness (which I think as a utilitarian is the most important outcome) as well as increased their assets a year later.

Deworming has also been found to impact income many years later. And increasing income is just another way of saying pulling out of poverty, albeit incrementally.

The question of getting to root causes is appealing and I used to be interested in this but the unfortunate truth of the matter is that nobody really has the answer. Economics is insanely complicated. In studies where you retroactively see whether economists predictions came true, the economists didn't do better than chance. So given that we don't know the root cause, but we do have interventions that provide long-lasting effects, we should focus on those.

Comment author: singularitard 21 October 2014 06:44:26PM *  0 points [-]

You might be (probably are not) right, but it is definitely something that requires research instead of just taking their word for it.

Comment author: ChristianKl 15 October 2014 01:20:25PM 1 point [-]

While Givewell does recommend one charity that focuses on direct cash transfer not every charity recommended by Givewell does and Givewell analyses Charities in detail, so even if you don't agree with their conclusion reading their analysis of a particular charity can help you evaluate the charity.

Comment author: singularitard 21 October 2014 06:45:14PM 0 points [-]

They don't publish very long write-ups, it's more like a checklist of their particular criteria.

Comment author: ChristianKl 21 October 2014 08:44:14PM 0 points [-]

They don't publish very long write-ups, it's more like a checklist of their particular criteria.

I do think the length of the analysis of GiveDirectly is fairly long (http://www.givewell.org/international/top-charities/give-directly). If you think that the recommendation of GiveDirectly is a mistake based on naive assumptions it makes sense to read the article.

Comment author: singularitard 21 October 2014 09:00:27PM 1 point [-]

I didn't say that, top level commenter did. I wish their evaluations of all charities were at least as detailed as that.

Comment author: Drayin 28 October 2014 06:35:15PM 1 point [-]

They would needs hundreds of staff if not more to do that.