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Comment author: TheAncientGeek 09 November 2014 11:45:00AM *  2 points [-]

In the countries I'm most familiar with the socialized health care system is something you want to avoid if you have an alternative.l

Kind of trueish but, not in a way that supports your point, Public healthcare systems tend to be run on something of a shoe string, so an Individual who can easily afford private treatment is often better off with that option, However, that does not translate to the total population or average person.. Analogously , the fact that travelling in a chauffeur limo is more pleasant than travelling on a train, for those who can afford it, is no justification for dismantling public transportation systems. And it's not either/or, anyway.

other stupid government policies.

Ok stupid government bad. But what's the relationship between large government and stupid government? Large government has at least the capacity to hire expert consultants, and implement checks and balances. And there's plenty of examples of autocratic rulers who were batshit crazy.

Well these days a lot of environmental protection laws are insane, 

In the US? Doesn't generalize.

Well, in the US the rule of thumb is that the more control government exercises over schools the worse they are.

Ditto.

Comment author: Azathoth123 12 November 2014 05:45:04AM 1 point [-]

Public healthcare systems tend to be run on something of a shoe string

Um. Do you mean the money allocated in the budget for the healthcare system or the money that actually trickles down to the actual doctors? Because the former tends to be larger than the latter.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 12 November 2014 09:59:18AM 1 point [-]

I believe that private healthcare deliverers have nonzero administrative costs as well.

http://epianalysis.wordpress.com/2012/07/18/usversuseurope/

Comment author: Azathoth123 15 November 2014 05:36:54AM 0 points [-]

Yes, but they actually have incentives to keep those costs down.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 15 November 2014 10:40:08AM 0 points [-]

Taxpayers don't like paying tax, which is the incentive to keep down costs in a public healthcare system, and it works because they are all cheaper than the US system.

Comment author: Azathoth123 18 November 2014 05:15:58AM 0 points [-]

Taxpayers don't like paying tax, which is the incentive to keep down costs in a public healthcare system,

To the extend this incentive exists its fulfilled by degrading quality rather than improving efficiency.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 18 November 2014 11:32:58AM *  0 points [-]

Taxpayers don't like poor quality healthcare either. And degraded from what? It's not like there was ever a golden age where the average person had top quality and affordable healthcare, and then someone came along and spoiled everything. Public healthcare is like public transport: it's not supposed to be the best in-money-is-no-object terms, it is supposed to better than nothing.

And lets remind ourselves that, factually, a number of public healthcare systems deliver equal .or better results to the US system for less money.

Comment author: Azathoth123 21 November 2014 07:34:08AM 0 points [-]

Taxpayers don't like poor quality healthcare either.

But they have to solve a rational ignorance and a collective action problem to do something about it.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 21 November 2014 01:28:34PM 0 points [-]

But they have to solve a rational ignorance and a collective action problem to do something about it.

And lets remind ourselves, again, that, factually, a number of public healthcare systems deliver equal .or better results to the US system for less money. So it looks like they have.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 November 2014 12:35:17PM -1 points [-]

Even the former is much smaller than what you guys pay in the US.