IlyaShpitser comments on Rationality Quotes December 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: IlyaShpitser 02 January 2015 11:22:33PM *  1 point [-]

Why are you arguing about taste? People adapt metaphors to help them think and act effectively. Human brains like agent-metaphors a lot: witness the popularity of the Moloch essay.

Your problem with classical religion might be that a lot of silly people are classically religious.


"But is the metaphor true" is kind of a silly question, imo.


Also, if there is an agenty God, it/she/he made sure to construct a world where nudges here and there are hard to trace.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 January 2015 10:29:53AM 1 point [-]

Your problem with classical religion might be that a lot of silly people are classically religious.

No, my actual problem here is that these metaphors are not useful for making predictions.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 03 January 2015 06:23:39PM *  2 points [-]

Is that your line for good language use, prediction effectiveness? Do you have an issue with Scott's Moloch metaphor also? What about poetic language more generally?

Comment author: [deleted] 04 January 2015 12:39:52PM 3 points [-]

Look: I am not a major fan of using poetic language to describe real life. Really. Just don't like it. And the problem with Scott's "metaphor" is that it wasn't a metaphor: he actually explicitly tagged the post as having an epistemic status of Fanciful Visionary Visions. It wasn't supposed to be anything approaching a useful sociological analysis that cuts reality at the joints. It wasn't supposed to be a rational way to think about the world.

But because it told a colorful story that stirs the emotions, people remember it far more prominently than any of Scott's writing on mere statistics that actually addresses reality, and now I have to put up with people pretending there's a demon at work in the world.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 05 January 2015 09:16:51AM *  1 point [-]

I am not a major fan of using poetic language to describe real life. Really. Just don't like it.

Fair enough. Why insist others share this preference? I like poetry (T. S. Eliot for example).


A ton of math is about metaphors (Lakoff wrote a book about this).