shminux comments on Existential Risk and Existential Hope: Definitions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shminux 10 January 2015 09:44:38PM 2 points [-]

Definition (iii): An existential catastrophe is an event which causes the loss of most expected value.

Can you name any past existential (or nearly so) catastrophies?

Comment author: [deleted] 10 January 2015 09:59:30PM 8 points [-]

Toba. Approx. 1000 breeding pairs of humans survived.

Comment author: Lumifer 11 January 2015 04:58:10AM *  -2 points [-]

Did the event "cause the loss of most expected value"? Looking around, I'm not so sure.

It's a good example of extinction risk, but doesn't seem to fit the (iii) definition well.

Comment author: DanArmak 11 January 2015 09:09:53PM *  7 points [-]

Before and during the event, there was a high probability P of humanity going extinct. That is equivalent to the loss then of P proportion of all future expected value. Expected value is always about the future; that's why it's not actual value.

(Also, I think on some many-worlds theories utility was actually lost due to humanity surviving in less measure.)

Comment author: Lumifer 11 January 2015 09:35:17PM 4 points [-]

there was a high probability P of humanity going extinct

Looking from before the event, true. Fair point.