Torello comments on Rationality Quotes Thread February 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Torello 06 February 2015 12:36:03AM 0 points [-]

I agree that "limited" is a better word than "horrible".

What I meant by "horrible" is that, relative to human maps, ant maps are extremely limited; they do not represent "truth" or reality as well to the same scope or accuracy of human maps.

I think the point is that even though ant maps are limited, they can still be adaptive. Natural selection is indifferent to the scope/accuracy of a map in and of itself.

Comment author: Wes_W 06 February 2015 05:53:37AM 1 point [-]

Critically, the areas in which ant maps are limited are the areas in which natural selection doesn't kill them for it. Colonies that think food is in places where food isn't starve to death.

Comment author: Torello 06 February 2015 11:55:55PM 2 points [-]

Yes, you've hit on the main point. Survival (and later on, reproductive value) is what matters. The fact that the maps help them survive is what matters. The existence of the map or its accuracy matters only matters in so far as it contributes to reproductive success.

Natural selection doesn't "reward" them for having an accurate map, only a map that helps they live and reproduce.

Comment author: Wes_W 08 February 2015 05:29:17AM *  0 points [-]

Yes...? And one of the key traits of a useful map is accuracy.

I mean, yes, clearly natural selection doesn't value truth for its own sake. It certainly does favor truth for instrumental reasons. I'm uncomfortable phrasing this as "indifferent to truth" as the original quote did. But perhaps we're talking past each other, here.