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Comment author: fubarobfusco 08 November 2012 12:39:58AM -1 points [-]

The general understanding is that Eliezer has adequately dealt with faith and religion when discussing belief in belief

The general understanding is that none of that particular topic is unique to Eliezer, who mentions (but doesn't always cite) his sources on "belief in belief" — specifically Sagan and Dennett.

I would also caution against using the idea "mainstream LWers" ....

Comment author: shminux 08 November 2012 12:48:18AM 0 points [-]

The general understanding is that none of that particular topic is unique to Eliezer

Right. I did not mean to imply that it was original research, though I suspect that he reproduced much of it on his own before matching with the existing literature.

I would also caution against using the idea "mainstream LWers"

My definition of a "mainstream LWer" is someone who adopts the Reductionism sequence without any significant reservations. Whether it's a good definition may be open to debate.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 08 November 2012 04:23:14PM -2 points [-]

My definition of a "mainstream LWer" is someone who adopts the Reductionism sequence without any significant reservations. Whether it's a good definition may be open to debate.

My definition of "phyggery" is ... ah, never mind.

Comment author: Abd 08 November 2012 12:55:35AM *  -1 points [-]

This "general understanding" might be so for some (most?) in the LW community, but my prior on that is, like, highly unlikely that a single individual in a few words has "adequately dealt" with centuries of human experience and thought and inquiry. What is quite possible is that EY has addressed certain outlines of the subject;.Generally I'm in agreement with him, but also see certain unexplored points. I'm continuing to read, and as I read more, I find both more agreement and more of what I usually call "edges."

I wouldn't dream of "creating a TLP on 'virtues of Islam.' Wrong place, for sure. I'm far more interested in rationality and the stated goals of this blog.

However, there was a whole school of Islam, dominant for a time, called the "rationalists," and science was considered compatible with Islam for centuries. That's an Islam that, I assume, most LWians haven't contacted. So there may be some room for this, that's all.

I'm quite aware that atheism is the standard belief here. However, is that a rational necessity? (And if it is, I'm still interested in the question of what atheism is. I do not think of it as being "wrong.")

What is "obvious" to me is not what is being inferred by some from what I've written, nor would I expect it would be obvious to others who don't share the necessary referents. I simply offered to respond if asked.

Fubarobfusco, thanks for the link. I'll check that out. I do not imagine that LWers are monolithic, though some may imagine that their own opinions are the opinions of the group. Maybe. More likely, not, though they might dominate.

edit: I'd already read that, and TheSimpleTruth. I've been looking for a while, and I haven't seen an examination of "faith and religion," but only of certain naive ideas about them. I'm pretty sure that a higher degree of sophistication exists here. But I can't yet prove it. Where should I look?