DanielLC comments on A resolution to the Doomsday Argument. - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanielLC 24 May 2015 08:29:59PM 1 point [-]

If I were doing it, I'd save computing power by only simulating the people who would program the AI. I don't think I'm going to do that, so it doesn't apply to me. Eliezer doesn't accept the Doomsday Argument, or at least uses a decision theory that makes it irrelevant, so it wouldn't apply to him.

Comment author: Eitan_Zohar 24 May 2015 08:42:07PM *  -1 points [-]

Well, for a start, I don't think that the builders would want to be the only people in their world. And recall that this only serves to produce new humans, because simply making all existing humans immortal solves the DA as well. I think it would be more efficient to fully populate the simulation.

What is this decision theory? I haven't read the Sequences yet, sorry.

Comment author: ChristianKl 24 May 2015 10:10:28PM 2 points [-]

What is this decision theory? I haven't read the Sequences yet, sorry.

That's not the kind of question to be answered in a paragraph. But the label for Eliezers theory is Timeless Decision Theory (TDT).

Comment author: Eitan_Zohar 26 May 2015 03:41:45AM 0 points [-]

How exactly does it make it 'irrelevant?' I haven't been able to find a single reference to the DA.

Comment author: DanielLC 24 May 2015 11:05:07PM 1 point [-]

because simply making all existing humans immortal solves the DA as well.

I disagree. An appreciable number of people might be the ones designing the AI, but they won't spend an appreciable portion of their lives doing it.

Comment author: Eitan_Zohar 25 May 2015 09:20:53AM *  0 points [-]

I'm not sure I understand. If existing humans became immortal, but no more humans were created, then it removes the need for a future extinction to explain the number of humans that will ever exist.

Comment author: DanielLC 25 May 2015 10:53:49PM 2 points [-]

It's not about the number of humans. It's about the number of observer-moments. Imagine if you were the only human ever. If you're only twenty years old, it's unlikely that you'd live to be a billion. You're not going to just happen to be in one of the first twenty years.

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 29 May 2015 05:14:45AM 0 points [-]

What does that mean, "You're not going to just happen to be in one of the first twenty years"? There are people who have survived more than one billion seconds past their twenty first birthdays. And each one, at one point, was within twenty second of their twenty first birthday. What would you say to someone whose twenty first birthday was less than twenty seconds ago who says "I'm not going to just happen to be in the first twenty seconds"?

Comment author: DanielLC 29 May 2015 06:25:52AM 1 point [-]

And each one, at one point, was within twenty second of their twenty first birthday.

Yes, but at many more points they were not.

What would you say to someone whose twenty first birthday was less than twenty seconds ago who says "I'm not going to just happen to be in the first twenty seconds"?

I'd tell them that they're even less likely to hallucinate evidence that suggests they are.

Every day, at some point it's noon, to the second. If you looked at your watch and it had a second hand, and it was noon to the second, you'd still find that a pretty big coincidence, wouldn't you?