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Comment author: [deleted] 18 June 2015 01:50:08PM *  0 points [-]

Proudness is a real emotion and there are people who seek it. Do you understand why I might object to that?

No, unfortunately not. Can you give a real or hypothetical negative example of proudness? I am very much used to everybody being far too timid.

Comment author: Lumifer 18 June 2015 04:03:11PM 2 points [-]

Proudness = pride = one of the seven deadly sins in Christianity = antonym of humble, humility.

Maybe you mean self-confidence?

Comment author: ChristianKl 18 June 2015 02:34:12PM 0 points [-]

No, unfortunately not.

Then you shouldn't simply switch to a different word in discussions like this and basically ignore the point of the argument.

I am very much used to everybody being far too timid.

Timid is not the opposite of proudness. It's the opposite of being timid is being confident. Proudness is "Stolz" in German.

Both feeling loved by other people and feeling proud come with being confident.
The person who optimizes for feeling loved usually plays positive sum games while the person who optimizes for feeling proud plays zero sum games.

The hugging at LWCW-EU makes people feel loved. It raises the social confidence of everybody involved. On the other hand someone who comes out of the event feeling proud that he hugged 50 different people is doing everything wrong.