Stephen_Cole comments on Rationality Quotes Thread August 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Stephen_Cole 10 August 2015 02:05:07PM 1 point [-]

"Irrationality is intellectual violence against which the pacifism of rationality may or may not be an adequate weapon."

  • Jack Good, Good Thinking, page 25.
Comment author: Username 10 August 2015 02:08:32PM 3 points [-]

Violence requires at least two people, you can be irrational even when you are alone.

Comment author: PradyumnGanesh 10 August 2015 03:28:58PM 4 points [-]

Self-harm counts as violence too, doesn't it? And it's not always accidental. The analogy stands.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 August 2015 11:23:15PM 2 points [-]

Self-harm counts as violence too, doesn't it?

It's a very noncentral example.

Comment author: PradyumnGanesh 12 August 2015 11:45:24AM *  6 points [-]

From Wikipedia:

As of 2010, all forms of violence resulted in about 1.34 million deaths up from about 1 million in 1990. Suicide accounts for about 883,000, interpersonal violence for 456,000 and collective violence for 18,000.

Note: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence#cite_ref-Loz2012_107-1\)

So, not that noncentral.

(Although, deaths aren't the only outcome of violence, I haven't read the cited study and there may be a huge availability bias here.)

Also, how often are analogies backed up by statistics?

Comment author: [deleted] 22 August 2015 09:02:40PM 0 points [-]

But again: now you are equating irrationality with deliberate suicide. You're not really drawing a very strong connection here.

Comment author: Zubon 26 August 2015 12:39:16AM 2 points [-]

It wanders from the original quote, but "irrationality is slow suicide" is a great connection to make. (And if you want a quote, I'm sure you can find something like that from Rand.)

Comment author: satt 01 September 2015 01:35:32AM 0 points [-]

But again: now you are equating irrationality with deliberate suicide.

Whether PradyumnGanesh is or isn't (though I don't think they are), that doesn't change their observation that self-inflicted violence is a relatively common form of violence, at least going by fatal violence.

Comment author: Stingray 22 August 2015 05:03:04PM 1 point [-]

Would you call a cutter a violent person? You wouldn't.

Comment author: Romashka 12 August 2015 06:03:16PM 1 point [-]

What would be an adequate weapon, then? Pavlovian training to follow the rationality to the best of one's abilities?

Comment author: Stephen_Cole 16 August 2015 07:26:42PM 1 point [-]

Great question. I believe Jack Good's answer was his "type 2 rationality", which implies a Bayes/non-Bayes synthesis, semiparametric statistics, and nondogmatism.