tailcalled comments on How could one (and should one) convert someone from pseudoscience? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: tailcalled 07 October 2015 06:52:12PM 0 points [-]

Hold on. I thought the helpless view was for the "dumb masses". They are certainly not able to figure out what the "international mainstream consensus" is. Hell, even I have no idea what it is (or even what it means).

The "dumb masses" here are not defined as being low-IQ, but just low-rationality. Low-IQ people would probably be better served just doing what people around them are doing (or maybe not; I'm not an expert in low-IQ people).

A simple example: Western democracy. What's the "international mainstream consensus"?

Well, one of the first conclusions to draw with helpless view is "politics is too complicated to figure out". I'm not sure I care that much about figuring out if democracy is good according to helpless view. The UN seems to like democracy, and I would count that as helpless-view evidence in favor of it.

I would guess it says that the Western-style democracy needs a strong guiding hand lest it devolves into degeneracy and amoral chaos.

I would guess that there is an ambiguously pro-democratic response. 48% of the world lives in democracies, and the places that aren't democratic probably don't agree as much on how to be un-democratic as the democratic places agree on how to be democratic.

For the purpose of promoting/recommending either the independent view or the helpless view.

Whoever does the promoting/recommending seems like a natural candidate, then.