WhyAsk comments on Open thread, Nov. 09 - Nov. 15, 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Clarity 09 November 2015 12:20:51PM *  0 points [-]

Prepare yourself.

This may shock some of you, even by my standards.

Suspend your judgement for a moment to objectively consider the prospect of chemical castration.

There are health benefits, and growing numbers of voluntary eunuchs who don't do it because of prostate cancer or coercion.

I, for one, have felt compelled to chemically castrate for many years. I do not know if the feeling that my sexual urges are more trouble than they are worth is idiosyncratic or more widely shared, but too taboo to act upon. So, I'm opening up the question to the thread!

I have some reservations based on implementation. So, even if I do decide it would be a desirable course of action, the execution may be delayed until the evidence of safety becomes clearer or new techniques emerge.

My concerns specifically are:

  • The ambiguous evidence on the reversibility of bone mineral density losses due to long term use of chemical castrates.
  • De-masculanisation resulting in lower attractiveness (physical or behaviour) and therefore less social, political and career clout, esteem.

I would appreciate any evidence anyone can dig up on bone mineral density loss and chemical castrates, relating to long term use and reversibility. I'm struggling to find what I need. And, in the spirit of improving my research skills - if you can give me suggestions for how to do it myself (keywords for google scholar, for instance) that would be good as an alternative! It seems to be a very long and specific question so it's hard to get clarity!

I'll probably trial depot medroxyprogesterone acetate (antiandrogen associated with bone mineral loss for long term use) and trial Benperidol (antipsychotic that reduces sexual urges) instead of Androcur, since the latter has well known depression and withdrawal side effects. There seems to be a huge vacuum on internet information and research on the antipsychotic. But, it may be easier for me to get access too since I have other, ambiguously psychotic symptoms. Any info on that antipsychotic truly appreciated. Given that it's the most potent neuroleptic (tranquiliser), and I've been on other antipsychotics which were overwhelmingly neuroleptic (and thus I discontinued them), I most likely won't give it a try, actually.

edit: I'm considering this now in light of reflection on other libido reducing substances (antidepressants) that didn't feel very good. Sexual desirelessness felt and probably will feel undesirable in light of this, contrary to my earlier thoughts

Comment author: WhyAsk 09 November 2015 07:56:26PM 2 points [-]

". . .my sexual urges. . ." You're scaring me.

I'm not a doctor, but DSM II through V may give you a prognosis, and society's views on your problem as those views evolved over these several editions.

Evidently your symptoms are ego-dystonic, which speaks well for change.

Avoid slippery slopes. With drugs, look for irreversible side effects (that may not show up for years).

Good luck.

Comment author: Clarity 11 November 2015 09:21:47AM 2 points [-]

Booo! I'm the monster under your bed!

Haha. I don't think I'm any one of those. I don't think I'm sexually deviant, just keen to prioritise for now.

Comment author: WhyAsk 19 November 2015 05:57:11PM *  -1 points [-]

Considering castration seems to indicate that you believe you are the monster, under the bed or wherever.

This may be a reasonable viewpoint for you or for others, or you may view sexual urges of any kind as deviant.

Get other opinions. For the outlying opinions, visit Provincetown, MA [either in person or virtually].

Good luck with what you are struggling with.

Comment author: tut 19 November 2015 07:39:23PM 2 points [-]

I don't think that he wanted to be castrated for the sake of other people, but for his own sake. Maybe the "urges" are distracting and useless. I sympathize, but castration has too big side effects for me to use it.

Comment author: Lumifer 19 November 2015 06:03:27PM 0 points [-]

For the outlying opinions, visit Provincetown, MA

It's a New England touristy small town :-/

Even the Castro district in San Fran would offer better "outlying opinions" :-D