MileyCyrus comments on The "Intuitions" Behind "Utilitarianism" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Douglas_Reay 24 February 2012 01:51:08AM 4 points [-]

Unless the torture somehow causes Vast consequences larger than the observable universe, or the suicide of someone who otherwise would have been literally immortal, it doesn't matter whether the torture has distant consequences or not.

What about the consequences of the precedent set by the person making the decision that it is ok to torture an innocent person, in such circumstances? If such actions get officially endorsed as being moral, isn't that going to have consequences which mean the torture won't be a one-off event?

There's a rather good short story about this, by Ursula K LeGuin:

The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas

Comment author: MileyCyrus 24 February 2012 07:54:07AM -2 points [-]

America kills 20,000 people/yr via air pollution.. Are you ready to walk away?

Comment author: thomblake 24 February 2012 04:29:55PM 3 points [-]

It's worth noting, for 'number of people killed' statistics, that all of those people were going to die anyway, and many of them might have been about to die for some other reason.

Society kills about 56 million people each year from spending resources on things other than solving the 'death' problem.

Comment author: [deleted] 24 February 2012 06:01:38PM 4 points [-]

that all of those people were going to die anyway

Some of whom several decades later. (Loss of QALYs would be a better statistic, and I think it would be non-negligible.)