NancyLebovitz comments on The "Intuitions" Behind "Utilitarianism" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Douglas_Reay 24 February 2012 01:51:08AM 4 points [-]

Unless the torture somehow causes Vast consequences larger than the observable universe, or the suicide of someone who otherwise would have been literally immortal, it doesn't matter whether the torture has distant consequences or not.

What about the consequences of the precedent set by the person making the decision that it is ok to torture an innocent person, in such circumstances? If such actions get officially endorsed as being moral, isn't that going to have consequences which mean the torture won't be a one-off event?

There's a rather good short story about this, by Ursula K LeGuin:

The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas

Comment author: gwern 24 February 2012 02:32:24AM 4 points [-]

If such actions get officially endorsed as being moral, isn't that going to have consequences which mean the torture won't be a one-off event?

Why would it?

And I don't think LeGuin's story is good - it's classic LeGuin, by which I mean enthymematic, question-begging, emotive substitution for thought, which annoyed me so much that I wrote my own reply.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 24 February 2012 06:17:59PM 1 point [-]

For what it's worth, some people read "Omelas" as being about a superstition that torturing a child is necessary (see the bit about good weather) rather than a situation where torturing a child is actually contributing to public welfare.

Comment author: gwern 24 February 2012 06:46:13PM 0 points [-]

And the 'wisdom of their scholars' depends on the torture as well? 'terms' implies this is a magical contract of some sort. No mechanism, of course, like most magic and all of LeGuin's magic that I've read (Earthsea especially).