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Comment author: PeerInfinity 11 August 2009 03:41:43AM 8 points [-]

I'm surprised that none of the other commenters suggested "What if you just invert the human sense of pain, causing it to become a new form of pleasure, and then write stories about that?"

You might think that would turn a horribly tragic story into a deliciously pornographic story, but I've personally tried this trick, and it doesn't seem to work well. When the story keeps reminding you that the people are in fact suffering, and not at all enjoying the experiences, then it's hard to keep imagining the pain being inverted as pleasure.

But if you wrote a story in which it was made explicit that the people find this inverted pain to be intensely pleasurable... lots of twisted possibilities instantly spring to mind.

For example, involving fully immersive virtual realities in which there is no threat of actually dying, massively multiplayer games, a creative assortment of tools, respawning after death, the ability to record particularly "high-scoring" sessions to play back and experience later, "cheaters" who do silly things like just turn on invincibility and dive into a fire...

Should I feel guilty about all of these ideas coming to mind so easily? What if I imagined what this guilt would feel like if it was inverted?

On a related topic, there is a genre where you're allowed to write stories in which nothing bad happens to any of the characters. That genre is called "pornography".

I especially enjoy the beautiful kinky transhuman sex scenes that already exist in sci-fi literature. I <3 Greg Egan :D

I, for one, would like to see more erotic fiction set in a positive, transhuman future. A Utopia. Or better yet, a Weirdtopia! :D

I have made some attempts to write such fiction myself, but I kept trying to make it too realistic, and just ended up with something like "Peer's exoself finishes the latest set of modifications to Peer's mind, and turns the Orgasmotron back on, causing Peer to experience yet another orgasm, which is both far more intensely powerful, and far more subtly nuanced, then anything ever dreamed possible by an unaugmented human mind. And also unlike anything Peer had experienced before this latest set of modifications."

Oh, and if anyone shares these tastes and would like to meet me for some beautiful kinky transhuman sex in Second Life, you can find me by searching for "Peer Infinity". :)

(Note to self: read through my old Second Life chat logs, and see if any of my previous beautiful kinky transhuman lovemaking sessions would make good short erotic stories...)

Comment author: RomanDavis 01 June 2010 09:58:32PM 6 points [-]

You haven't dove deep enough into asstr yet. Some of them are truly transhuman, most of them are more like, "We terraformed a dozen planets or so, now we need to fill them up! And the best way is to start early, therefore pedo incest is the way of the future."

Comment author: grendelkhan 05 June 2012 08:23:39PM 1 point [-]

I'm surprised that none of the other commenters suggested "What if you just invert the human sense of pain, causing it to become a new form of pleasure, and then write stories about that?"

I think you'd get Crossed. It makes sense, at least through the first book (I haven't read the others), that the infection makes every experience pleasurable, and since painful or horrific experiences are more intense and memorable than good ones, it makes people into Reavers, pretty much.