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44 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 January 2009 06:17AM

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Comment author: [deleted] 16 December 2011 12:11:35AM 5 points [-]

You know when you generalize about "Women", you are probably going to annoy most the females on here, who tend to be less gender-normative. (I'm not saying it's "right", I'm just saying it's likely to happen.)

I was generalizing about male nerds, specifically their fantasies and perceptions not women.

Comment author: [deleted] 16 December 2011 12:21:18AM *  -1 points [-]

You were directly generalizing about males, but indirectly generalizing about females. By saying "Men wish women took more initiative." (paraphrased) Then you are indirectly saying that women don't take much initiative.

True? Probably....But I assume less so in the LW community, and us LW females are only too happy to point that out.

Likewise, if I said "Women wish men weren't so messy", then there is an indirect generalization in that statement that "Men are messy".

Comment author: [deleted] 16 December 2011 12:35:45AM *  4 points [-]

I didn't think I was generalizing women, rather the generalizations nerds (and by this I obviously meant male nerds) tend to believe.

Whether the generalization itself was accurate or not didn't cross my mind since it seemed mostly immaterial to the subject at hand.

Likewise, if I said "Women wish men weren't so messy", then there is an indirect generalization in that statement that "Men are messy".

I read that as implying "Women think men are messy". I'm not a native speaker, perhaps to avoid such miscommunication I should rather stick to my regular, more verbose style, English writing style. So thanks for the feedback!

But since we are on the subject. Men are messy. Women are more passive in romance. At least it seems more likley than not.

True? Probably....But I assume less so in the LW community, and us LW females are only too happy to point that out.

Why? Perhaps women adopting on average a more passive strategy is a good thing in some way. In any case I don't see why talking about specific populations needs to be followed by disclaimers that people on LW might not be like that ... well duh, the site is pretty non-representative.

Comment author: dlthomas 16 December 2011 12:41:51AM 1 point [-]

men are messy

Sorry for dragging down our average, guys!

Comment author: [deleted] 16 December 2011 12:43:48AM *  2 points [-]

Shun the group norm violator, he makes us look bad in front of others. Shun! Shun!

Comment author: dlthomas 16 December 2011 12:24:21AM 1 point [-]

You were doing both. Male nerds is obvious, women is more implicit:

women being more like men [...] in the sense of [X]

clearly implies a belief that, generally, women are to some degree less X than men. It's possible that you meant to attribute this belief to the male nerds as well as the desire in question, but this was not clear in the post. The generalization, as well, may be correct or not - it certainly corresponds to traditional western courtship ritual of the past century.

Comment author: [deleted] 16 December 2011 12:31:37AM *  2 points [-]

It's possible that you meant to attribute this belief to the male nerds as well as the desire in question,

This.

but this was not clear in the post.

My mistake then. Thanks to daenerys for pointing it out! :)