One thing that hasn't been been mentioned is what kind of security the car's operating system has. Image what will happen after the first major autonomous car-virus, especially if the virus is malicious rather than merely incidentally introducing bugs. Keep in mind it's not to hard for a virus to be very malicious since autonomous cars need to know what pedestrians are in order to avoid hitting them.
About the red light, I'm not even sure if it's necessary for anyone to pay. If you think about it, fines are there to discourage human drivers from breaking the rules. But in a robotic car, running a red light is due to faulty programming or bugs. Robotic cars will try not to run red lights even if there is no fine - they will not be allowed on the road unless they already obey the rules.
If some company happens to produce robotic cars that run red lights a lot, then of course it would be necessary to, for example, place a temporary ban on those car models ...
"Exclusive: In boost to self-driving cars, U.S. tells Google computers can qualify as drivers":
...U.S. vehicle safety regulators have said the artificial intelligence system piloting a self-driving Google car could be considered the driver under federal law, a major step toward ultimately winning approval for autonomous vehicles on the roads. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration told Google, a unit of Alphabet Inc (GOOGL.O), of its decision in a previously unreported Feb. 4 letter to the company posted on the agency's website this we
Keep in mind that these developments will not be occurring in a vacuum, but in the context of other types of autonomous drones being developed.
I don't really understand the legal problem.
Why can't the law just be, if you're behind the wheel of an autonomous car in possession of immediate over-ride, then you're exactly as liable as a normal driver?
Now, in practice, if something goes wrong you're going to be in a terrible position to stop it, because you're going to not be paying attention. But the law can just be "Well, you have to be paying attention or you're liable!" --- even if that really just amounts to the fact that you're taking on different risks driving this autonomous car.
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the near-term future (1 decade) for autonomous cars is not that great. What's been accomplished, legally speaking, is great but more limited than most people appreciate.
How do you get from the second sentence to the first sentence?
Isn't it premature to make predictions about car use? Shouldn't you start with predictions about further legal change? (of course there is positive feedback, so they aren't completely independent)
Or maybe the legal barrier isn't the first one to look at. When you predict that even niches that can ignore public road law will no...
...We asked a few experts if any of this is legal. And the general consensus was ¯_(ツ)_/¯. The truth is, none of this is clear, for a few reasons. First, it remains to be seen exactly what Tesla plans to offer. Musk says the feature will be restricted to highway use (follows the trajectory of automakers like Mercedes-Benz and Audi), but did not specify its capabilities. When Tesla first mentioned autonomous features in October, it said “Model S will be able to steer to stay within a lane, change lanes with the simple tap of a turn signal, and manage speed by
Are you confident in your short-term pessimism, gwern? It seems like there are many ways for the technology to potentially quickly gain acceptance. Mainly, it's extremely convenient that states are able to regulate driving, as that provides 50 avenues for starting rolling out cars (in addition to the 190 other international opportunities). Once one place adopts, my mental model of how things will probably happen says that many will follow within a year, and most (70%) will follow within seven years (and probably within three years if the early adopter has ...
The world will see autonomous passenger trains and autonomous commercial planes before it has to get used to autonomous cars.
And once autonomous cars routinely win races against human drivers, the laws will change quickly enough.
...The idyllic picture painted by automakers and regulators may sound overblown, but a new report from consulting firm McKinsey & Company says it is, for the most part, accurate. Automakers expect to introduce autonomous technology in phases, rolling out the cool new features in otherwise conventional cars. In three to five years, we can expect cars to do the heavy lifting during traffic jams and highway cruising, but cede control to their carbon-based occupants the rest of the time. Beyond that comes the more difficult challenge of driving in urban aren
"Of Frightened Horses and Autonomous Vehicles: Tort Law and its Assimilation of Innovations", Graham 2012 http://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1170&context=facpubs
More links:
http://www.volokh.com/2013/05/05/self-driving-vehicles-how-soon-and-who-will-bear-the-liability-costs/ with a potential pointer to more detailed legal work:
This was discussed in several very interesting sessions at the (fabulous – thank you, Ryan Calo and Michael Froomkin among others!) We Robots 2013 conference a few weeks ago at Stanford Law School (there is video as well as the draft papers presented at the link)...The liability issue is under discussion in many quarters, of course, su
A legal parallel illustrating my concerns about the burden of insurance, the decidedly non-robotic ride-sharing sector; The Economist, "All eyes on the sharing economy - Collaborative consumption: Technology makes it easier for people to rent items to each other. But as it grows, the “sharing economy” is hitting roadblocks":
......Peer-to-peer car-rental services also provide insurance as part of the deal. Mr Clark says it took RelayRides 18 months to find an underwriter for the $1m policy that backs each driver during rentals. (Much of the 40% com
If I would be google I would start by going to small nations like Singapore. Get the necessary laws to operate the technology in Singapore. Singapore has no problem with making laws that simply issues like that.
Afterwards let your lobbyists go to other countries and propose that they give you the same laws.
It'll be interesting to see how medical robot (protected by the FDA) lawsuits turn out: http://climateerinvest.blogspot.se/2013/01/first-they-came-for-robot-surgeons.html
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The legal status quo is secondary to public perception, which - other than some technophile aficionados - is quite reserved. There's too much male identity attached to driving, not only are cars used to show off status, but so is the driving style you use them with. As is often the case, people confuse a "autonomous cars are not for me" with "autonomous cars - what nonsense, should not be allowed!", in part because they feel threatened their identity-generating toy coul...
Having read through all this material, my general feeling is: the near-term future (1 decade) for autonomous cars is not that great. What's been accomplished, legally speaking, is great but more limited than most people appreciate. And there are many serious problems with penetrating the elaborate ingrown rent-seeking tangle of law & politics & insurance. I expect the mid-future (+2 decades) to look more like autonomous cars completely taking over many odd niches and applications where the user can afford to ignore those issues (eg. on private land or in warehouses or factories), with highways and regular roads continuing to see many human drivers with some level of automated assistance. However, none of these problems seem fatal and all of them seem amenable to gradual accommodation and pressure, so I am now more confident that in the long run we will see autonomous cars become the norm and human driving ever more niche (and possibly lower-class). On none of these am I sure how to formulate a precise prediction, though, since I expect lots of boundary-crossing and tertium quids. We'll see.
0.1 Self-driving cars
The first success inaugurating the modern era can be considered the 2005 DARPA Grand Challenge where multiple vehicles completed the course. The first legislation of any kind addressing autonomous cars was Nevada’s 2011 approval. 5 states have passed legislation dealing with autonomous cars.
However, these laws are highly preliminary and all the analyses I can find agree that they punt on the real legal issues of liability; they permit relatively little.
0.1.1 Lobbying, Liability, and Insurance
(Warning: legal analysis quoted at length in some excerpts.)
“Toward Robotic Cars”, Thrun 2010 (pre-Google):
“Google Cars Drive Themselves, in Traffic” (PDF), NYT 2010:
“Calif. Greenlights Self-Driving Cars, But Legal Kinks Linger”:
“Google’s Driverless Car Draws Political Power: Internet Giant Hones Its Lobbying Skills in State Capitols; Giving Test Drives to Lawmakers”, WSJ, 12 October 2012:
“Driverless cars are on the way. Here’s how not to regulate them.”
“How autonomous vehicle policy in California and Nevada addresses technological and non-technological liabilities”, Pinto 2012:
“Can I See Your License, Registration and C.P.U.?”, Tyler Cowen; see also his “What do the laws against driverless cars look like?”:
Ryan Calo of the CIS argues essentially that no specific law bans autonomous cars and the threat of the human-centric laws & regulations is overblown. (See the later Russian incident.)
“SCU conference on legal issues of robocars”, Brad Templeton:
“Definition of necessary vehicle and infrastructure systems for Automated Driving”, European Commission report 29 June 2011:
“Automotive Autonomy: Self-driving cars are inching closer to the assembly line, thanks to promising new projects from Google and the European Union”, Wright 2011:
“The future of driving, Part III: hack my ride”, Lee 2008:
http://www.917wy.com/topicpie/2008/11/future-of-driving-part-3/2
http://www.917wy.com/topicpie/2008/11/future-of-driving-part-3/3
http://www.917wy.com/topicpie/2008/11/future-of-driving-part-3/4
http://www.pickar.caltech.edu/e103/Final%20Exams/Autonomous%20Vehicles%20for%20Personal%20Transport.pdf [shades of Amara’s law: we always overestimate in the short run & underestimate in the long run]
The RAND report: “Liability and Regulation of Autonomous Vehicle Technologies”, Kalra et al 2009:
“New Technology - Old Law: Autonomous Vehicles and California’s Insurance Framework”, Peterson 2012:
“‘Look Ma, No Hands!’: Wrinkles and Wrecks in the Age of Autonomous Vehicles”, Garza 2012
“Self-driving cars can navigate the road, but can they navigate the law? Google’s lobbying hard for its self-driving technology, but some features may never be legal”, The Verge 14 December 2012
“Automated Vehicles are Probably Legal in the United States”, Bryant Walker Smith 2012
And people say lawyers have no sense of humor.