I'm still confused what he's using this "skeptical of reason" statement for.
His core conclusion, which I agree with, is "true reason and rationality are very difficult." He then goes on to say that therefore "we need to be skeptical of reasoned arguments."
The best interpretation of this principle would be "just because something sounds correct to me, doesn't mean it is; be careful of clever arguers." That's worth a blog post, but not more than one, and the catchphrase "suspicion of reason" makes a worse interpretation plausible: that he's using it like "I think your argument is reasonable, therefore I don't have to listen to you or change my mind." But hopefully that's not happening.
My interpretation was:
If their argument includes the statement that X is reasonable, that's weak Bayesian evidence against X. People don't point out that 1+1=2 is a reasonable statement; they point out that a particular candidate is the reasonable choice.
Here we have the problem that reasonable arguments and the self-evident truth of rationality is often only clear among people who already agree on everything of substance. People who agree can confidently assert the rationality and reasonableness of their arguments to those who have the exactly same perspective. So, for example, you have educated people like William F. Buckley, Jr. explaining that there is more evidence of the resurrection of Jesus Christ than that Abraham Lincoln gave the Emancipation Proclamation.
The correct explanation of the described phenomenon is that people often have different ideas about what is reasonable. Khan's interpretation "reason is suspect" appears either as if he doesn't want to prefer his own definition of reason over, say, a religious fundamentalist definition, or as if he practically identifies reason with "everything people call such". Which doesn't seem reasonable according to my definition of reason.
as if he practically identifies reason with "everything people call such".
So you're asserting that there are two kinds of people, those that call reason "reason", and those that mistakenly call something else "reason". Keep in mind that people in the second category believe that they belong to the first. So how do you know you don't belong to the second category?
I am asserting that different people attach the label "reason" to different concepts, nothing else. I certainly don't assert existence of two categories; if you push me hard to categorise, I would rather admit 6 billion categories as no two people would probably completely agree on definition of "reason". I have said nothing about myself being right in the use of "reason" and others being "mistaken".
I am asserting that different people attach the label "reason" to different concepts,
And implicitly sorting those concepts into two categories, those that are suspect and those that aren't.
Is there a way how to formulate the idea that different people may use "reason" differently which would not appear to you as implicit sorting of those interpretations into two categories, suspect and non-suspect? Note that although I have used the word "suspect", it was in a paraphrase of Khan's position, not referring to the interpretations of "reason".
Is there a way how to formulate the idea that different people may use "reason" differently which would not appear to you as implicit sorting of those interpretations into two categories, suspect and non-suspect?
Only if you're willing to deny the existence of an objective reality.
I agree. What I was thinking about lately is that we need practical procedures to guide our reasoning. For example we could argue all day long about whether someone should or shouldn't study in college. But is there a practical procedure that could give us or guide us towards a more objective answer?
Even on a very fundamental level I still think there are pitfalls. E.g. I think everyone agrees that as a Bayesian reasoner you should take all evidence into account, but in practice people will just discount evidence against their opinion.
Post by fellow LW reader Razib Khan, who many here probably know from the gnxp site or perhaps from his debate with Eliezer. Somewhat related to a post we also seem to have discussed.
Edit: I linked to the wrong article! (~_~;) Fixed!