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29 Post author: Raemon 24 December 2010 04:57AM

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Comment author: paulfchristiano 24 December 2010 06:31:14AM *  1 point [-]

Edit: I originally wrote some defense of responsibly raised food with respect to point 3, which you actually seem to have addressed in the original post.

I believe the other issues are much more complicated than you make them seem, which is to be expected but makes convincing someone more difficult (and makes it way harder to compete against justifications of the status quo). A lot of the meat I eat I can justify from the perspective of animal cruelty (I am fine, for example,being cruel to most of the life on earth, and I am completely fine killing almost all of it), so to convince me to stop you would actually need to win the other arguments. That said, many of the things I eat are in fact inconsistent with my beliefs and I should stop. I've made a tiny effort to change my behavior, but its been basically ineffective. Now that I'm thinking about the issue rationally, I would probably have a lot more luck if I tried to somehow coerce my future self into cooperating. I think I could get friends/acquaintances to help with that...

Comment author: Raemon 24 December 2010 06:47:05AM *  1 point [-]

As I said, the issues are a lot more complicated. I'm supplying the basic gists of the arguments with the intention that people who aren't familiar with them should go find some professional literature to get themselves familiar with them. I'm not educated enough to defend it that well myself (at least, not tonight). Someone who is better equipped can probably beat me in an argument about how precisely it impacts the environment. But beating me is irrelevant - winning arguments doesn't make you right. If you HAVEN'T looked at the environmental issues, there's a good chance you're missing out on important considerations. The cow pollution > automobile pollution statement might be more hyperbolic or complicated than I made it out to be, but the bottom line is that cow pollution IS a real concern, however it compares to automobile pollution.

There are ways to eat meat that doesn't impact the environment, doesn't impact human health standards, and causes minimal suffering to the animals in question. But my general heuristic is that unless you know exactly where your meat is coming from, chances are it comes from a food industry that is harmful in all three categories.