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nick012000 comments on A Rationalist's Account of Objectification? - Less Wrong Discussion

43 Post author: lukeprog 19 March 2011 11:10PM

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Comment author: nick012000 22 March 2011 01:57:58PM 3 points [-]

Well, obviously there's a difference between violently throwing someone into a bed, and joking around and playfully pushing them on the shoulder to signal them to get into the bed, but my point is that the studies conflate the two and everything in between them and classify them all as rape. Just check "yes" in the box, and voila, you're a rapist.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 22 March 2011 02:23:11PM 2 points [-]

I agree that there's a difference between those two things. I agree with you that conflating the difference between those two things is problematic.

I disagree with you that the example you give conflates that difference.

If I had pushed someone onto a bed to signal to them that I wanted to have sex with them (I've undoubtedly done this many times, though I can't currently remember specific examples) I would not say "yes" if asked whether I'd ever pushed someone onto a bed to make them have sex with me.

The key word for me is "make."

If I make you have sex with me, that's different from playfully encouraging you to have sex with me.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 22 March 2011 04:36:24PM 2 points [-]

The key word ... is "make."

Exactly so.

I do think that wording the question that way is a bit questionable, though, since it can easily be misread.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 22 March 2011 04:44:25PM 0 points [-]

(nods) Surveys are problematic that way, in general. The only way I know of to get around it is to phrase every question several different ways and look for variation among the answers based on the phrasing.

The safest move is probably to simply discard any question where the answer depends too much on the phrasing, although in practice that probably means discarding all survey results ever.

Mostly, survey results are good for comparing results on the same survey over time.