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Comment author: fortyeridania 04 October 2011 11:18:12AM 1 point [-]

Hmm...I guess I just assumed that people were more likely to believe something true than something false, other things being equal. What do you think about that?

Also, I should note this: Even if people aren't more likely to believe something true than false, the original finding (that theism causes happiness) should still militate against theism, because however wrong people may go in their beliefs, surely they are even less likely to believe something true if believing a false thing can make them happy. Right?

Comment author: [deleted] 04 October 2011 12:16:59PM *  0 points [-]

people were more likely to believe something true than something false

In general I reject this. Maybe it holds for small classes of statements that regard direct experience (for example "stuff falls down", "getting hit by a car is bad for you") but certainly not for abstract things like theism.

To believe in something because others do allows false beliefs to circularly maintain themselves. On the other hand, if you believed in something because others believe in it for the right reasons then learning that many people believe in something for the wrong reason (e.g. because it makes them happy) will decrease your estimate.

Comment author: fortyeridania 05 October 2011 01:50:48AM 3 points [-]

In general I reject this.

As crazy and improbable as an idea might seem, surely it would seem even less credible if you learned that literally nobody believed it. Turning this around, wouldn't it seem at least a little more probable if a bunch of people believed it? And shouldn't this hold for abstract beliefs, too?

Comment author: AlexMennen 04 October 2011 03:11:03PM 3 points [-]

Most people believe that it is impossible to travel faster than light, although they don't understand why that is and it is all very abstract to them. I speculate that this might be connected with the fact that it is impossible to travel faster than light.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 October 2011 03:18:44PM *  0 points [-]

This is too opaque for me to understand. What is the moral of that comment?

Comment author: AlexMennen 04 October 2011 03:24:54PM 3 points [-]

I was suggesting that people's beliefs are correlated with reality even in abstract areas.

Comment author: wedrifid 04 October 2011 01:17:42PM 5 points [-]

In general I reject this. Maybe it holds for small classes of statements that regard direct experience (for example "stuff falls down", "getting hit by a car is bad for you") but certainly not for abstract things like theism.

Bear in mind that "more likely" is an extremely weak claim. To say that it certainly doesn't hold for abstract things is, therefore, a rather strong claim. Perhaps stronger than you intend. It would be extremely surprising if humans weren't on average slightly better than random at arriving at correct abstract beliefs even of that type.