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Daniel_Starr comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 12 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Daniel_Starr 25 March 2012 01:12:49PM *  8 points [-]

I like the idea that "Voldemort" was very consciously a role; that fits the Occlumens speech Quirrell gives to Harry.

But still, which is more plausible? That Voldemort's violence was an optimal choice for the situation? Or that Voldemort was stupidly violent?

Quirrell uses the monastery story to argue Voldemort was stupidly violent, which at minimum implies Voldemort had a reputation consistent with stupid levels of violence. Dementor!Harry, which I read as a representation of Voldemort, thinks

The response to annoyance was killing.

which is about as stupidly violent as it gets.

Let's put it this way: if Voldemort's violence level was rationally chosen, the author's worked really hard to disguise that fact.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 25 March 2012 01:23:32PM *  10 points [-]

Dementor!Harry, which I read as a representation of Voldemort

I believe Dementor!Harry was just damaged by the Dementor, producing both grotesquely negative motivations and poor impulse control.

Comment author: Daniel_Starr 25 March 2012 01:31:05PM 8 points [-]

The chapter emphasizes that it's a separate personality system that's running Harry at that point (which doesn't prove it's Voldemort, but is suggestive). E.g.:

that's not Harry--

You know. About his dark side.

Although it's not absolutely definitive; Dumbledore's line in reply is

But this is beyond even that.

which argues for "he's damaged" as you suggest rather than "he's alien [and Voldemort]" as I'm suggesting.

Comment author: DanArmak 25 March 2012 04:50:48PM 4 points [-]

Look at results, though. Until whatever it was happened ten years ago, Voldemort was winning the war with those tactics.

Comment author: wirov 25 March 2012 07:23:56PM 2 points [-]

Modulo Harry, those tactics were good enough – no doubt about that. But were they optimal?

Comment author: DanArmak 25 March 2012 09:23:09PM 7 points [-]

Probably not optimal if he could go back and redo from start. But sometimes "good enough" is good enough. Shifting tactics in the middle of a war, to the extent of completely changing your public persona, when a lot of the loyalty of your followers (and the fear that keeps bystanders uninvolved) depends intimately on your existing persona, would not be easy at all.