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Comment author: gwern 11 April 2012 02:02:03PM *  16 points [-]

especially not when his villain persona's name was an anagram of his real name.

I don't think that's an issue. It's a really long anagram - 'I am Lord Voldemort' to 'Tom Marvolo Riddle'. You need his middle name, you need to use 'Tom' rather than 'Thomas', and how many would think of prepending 'I am Lord' to 'Voldemort', especially when 'Lord' is mostly (exclusively?) used by Death Eaters. (Did anyone in the entire world besides Rowling get that anagram before it was published in Book 2? No one in canon but Harry seems to know.)

Remember that folks like Hook would publish hash - I mean, anagram - precommitments to their great scientific discoveries. Against humans without computers, anagrams are pretty effective trapdoor functions. (And that's when you know there's an anagram in the first place.)

EDIT: For 'Tom Marvolo Riddle', the AWAD anagram server says 74,669 possible anagrams. Some are quite ominous, eg. 'Dread Mil Volt Room'.

Comment author: gjm 11 April 2012 03:07:48PM 7 points [-]

In fairness, I think the first anyone heard of "Marvolo" as Riddle's middle niddle -- er, I mean name -- was when he anagrammed it for Harry in the Chamber of Secrets. So it's not a big surprise that no one else guessed the anagram.

Comment author: HonoreDB 11 April 2012 07:03:41PM 3 points [-]

Yeah, it was a total cheat. That's why I put my anagram in the Dramatis Personae.

Comment author: gwern 11 April 2012 08:16:29PM 1 point [-]

Incidentally, what's happened with that play since I left my comment?

Comment author: HonoreDB 13 April 2012 03:18:33PM 1 point [-]

Most of the stuff I was hoping for hasn't panned out thus far. The ebook gets a few downloads each week, mostly as referrals from the HPMoR fan art page.

Comment author: gwern 13 April 2012 03:34:36PM 1 point [-]

That's too bad. Maybe you should just re-release it for free so you at least get some readers?

Comment author: hairyfigment 06 May 2012 01:46:48AM 0 points [-]

The American version definitely says in the flashback, "she lived just long enough to name me -- Tom after my father, Marvolo after my grandfather." (And the book introduced him as T.M. Riddle.) I have no reason to think the British version lacked this info.

Comment author: gjm 06 May 2012 07:13:36PM 0 points [-]

Am I misremembering? Isn't that after the point where he anagrammatizes it for Harry in the CoS?

Comment author: hairyfigment 06 May 2012 09:54:04PM 0 points [-]

Definitely not. First Riddle uses the diary as a Pensieve-style flashback machine and gives Harry this info, then Ginny steals the diary back, then we get to the CoS climax.

Comment author: gjm 07 May 2012 11:03:39AM 0 points [-]

Oh yes, you're right. So, yeah, a sufficiently ingenious reader might have noticed the (apparent) throwaway comment about the names, noticed that the letters of "Voldemort" are contained in "Tom Marvolo Riddle", and worked out the rest before the big reveal fifty pages later. I remain of the opinion that it's no big surprise if no one did.

Comment author: faul_sname 11 April 2012 11:44:20PM 8 points [-]

That, and an anagram that long can become almost anything. Exapmles: Armored doll vomit, odd immoral revolt, and my favorite, devil marmot drool. So even with the "marvolo", and even with the knowledge that it anagrams to something you're not going to spontaneously make that association unless you have prior reason to suspect voldemortiness.

Comment author: gwern 11 April 2012 11:51:36PM *  9 points [-]

odd immoral revolt

Of course - it's so obvious in retrospect! And it even encodes a hint about Quirrel's future activities too:

devil marmot drool

(If you squint, his resemblance to a devil marmot is clear.)