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Comment author: shminux 14 January 2013 09:20:51PM *  0 points [-]

Einstein was actually against what is now termed "objective collapse" models, not Bohr's "shut up and calculate". And yes, the hints are increasingly pointing toward something along the lines of RQM.

Einstein was perfectly right about a correct physics containing no randomness

Maybe you should try playing your own rationalist's taboo with the term "randomness". For example, if you define it instrumentally as inability to predict an outcome of a measurement, then it trivially goes through in the MWI model. What's your definition?

no mysteriously-non-communicating FTL influences

Try similarly tabooing "influence". It is likely that you will find that "non-communicating influence" is devoid of meaning (it's a piece of logic disconnected from physics, using your favorite duality).

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 14 January 2013 09:33:47PM 2 points [-]

rolls eyes at RQM (due to physicists trying to play silly semantic games that don't actually translate into any coherent epistemology)

Try similarly tabooing "influence".

Okay. "Without causal graphs that violate the Markov condition."

It is likely that you will find that "non-communicating influence" is devoid of meaning

See above.

Comment author: shminux 15 January 2013 01:10:47AM *  1 point [-]

"Without causal graphs that violate the Markov condition."

If someone could draw this graph for me for the case of the purported EPR FTL influence without relying on objective collapse, I'd appreciate it.