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Comment author: nigerweiss 19 May 2013 08:42:59PM 2 points [-]

I know some hardcore C'ers in real life who are absolutely convinced that centrally-planned Marxist/Leninist Communism is a great idea, and they're sure we can get the kinks out if we just give it another shot.

Comment author: pragmatist 20 May 2013 12:33:48PM 2 points [-]

C'ers?

Comment author: satt 20 May 2013 09:52:10PM 3 points [-]

People who'd choose option c) from Viliam Bur's list, I imagine.

Comment author: ThrustVectoring 20 May 2013 12:58:16PM 0 points [-]

You also know some people who desperately need a course in computational complexity. Markets aren't perfect, of course, but good luck trying to centrally compute distribution of resources.

Comment author: [deleted] 20 May 2013 05:02:37PM *  3 points [-]

That doesn't sound like a terribly good argument -- the fact that it would take O(something big) time to compute something exactly isn't terribly important if you can compute a decent approximation in O(something small) time.

(I'm not a Communist, FWIW.)

Comment author: ThrustVectoring 20 May 2013 06:26:44PM 1 point [-]

My model of how to approximate the optimum solution - specifically, break it up into tiny pieces and keep track of price-analogues by means of a real number valued function of the industrial output being managed - looks an awful lot like a free market with really weird labels for everything. It goes up to and includes closing sub-units that detract from overall optimization (read: unprofitable firms).

Comment author: Pfft 20 May 2013 05:36:43PM *  3 points [-]

The various hardness results for economic problems (e.g. computing Nash equilibriums is PPAD-complete) cuts equally much against free markets as against central planning. If a central agent can't solve a given problem within cosmological time scales, then neither can a few billion distributed agents.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 20 May 2013 03:06:43PM 1 point [-]

... they're sure we can get the kinks out if we just give it another shot.

As in, line up all those against and shoot them?

Do these people see themselves as among the organisers of such a system, or the organised?