Your first response to my comment was not to declare it "bullshit" but to declare it "evil".
This accusation seems to be actively relying on the assumption that readers will not check the context to verify accuracy. The first two sentences in the reply in question seem to be quite clearly declaring 'bullshit'. In particular note the phrases "distortion of reasoning", "so obviously bad and yet remains common" and "all too seldom refuted". I quite frequently reference on bullshit when describing that pattern of behaviour but it doesn't seem necessary to explicitly use the word 'bullshit' every single time. In fact I try to make myself use natural language descriptions like this rather than using bullshit every time because that habit would just get weird.
Furthermore, all your reasons boil down to "How dare you invoke the outside view when we all know Evil Things(tm) are happening".
This is false. Eugine_Nier has presented approximately the same straw man previously and it was false then too. I conclude that he has little interest in making his accusations match reality.
And you don't bother to engage with any of the arguments I provided.
I did engage, and that was a mistake. Like other users have mentioned in the past I now must concur that Eugine_Nier is systematically incapable of engaging in good-faith conversation. I will henceforth refrain from communicating with Eugine_Nier except when I deem it necessary to lend support to another user I perceive to be mistreated (via straw man barrages and the like). Apart from such cases I will limit myself to downvoting as appropriate then ignoring.
Some old SIAI work of mine. Researching this was very difficult because the relevant religious studies area, while apparently completely repudiating most public beliefs about the subject (eg. the effectiveness of brainwashing, how damaging cults are, how large they are, whether that’s even a meaningful category which can be distinguished from mainstream religions rather than a hidden inference - a claim, I will note, which is much more plausible when you consider how abusive Scientology is to its members as compared to how abusive the Catholic Church has been etc), prefer to publish their research in book form, which makes it very hard to review any of it. Some of the key citation were papers - but the cult panic was so long ago that most of them are not online or have been digitized! I recently added some cites and realized I had not touched the draft in a year; so while this collection of notes is not really up to my preferred standards, I’m simply posting it for what it’s worth. (One lesson to take away from this is that controlling uploaded human brains will not be nearly as simple & easy as applying classic ‘brainwashing’ strategies - because those don’t actually work.)
Reading through the literature and especially the law review articles (courts flirted disconcertingly much with licensing kidnapping and abandoning free speech), I was reminded very heavily - and not in a good way - of the War on Terror.
Old American POW studies:
Started the myth of effective brain-washing. But in practice, cult attrition rates are very high! (As makes sense: if cults did not have high attrition rates, they would long ago have dominated the world due to exponential growth.) This attrition claim is made all over the literature, with some example citations being:
a back of the envelope estimate for Scientology by Steve Plakos in 2000:
Iannaccone 2003, “The Market for Martyrs” (quasi-review)
Singer in particular has been heavily criticized; “Cult/Brainwashing Cases and Freedom of Religion”, Richardson 1991:
“Overcoming The Bondage Of Victimization: A Critical Evaluation of Cult Mind Control Theories”, Bob and Gretchen Passantino Cornerstone Magazine 1994:
Gomes, Unmasking the Cults (Wikipedia quote):
“Psychological Manipulation and Society”, book review of Spying in Guruland: Inside Britain’s Cults, Shaw 1994
Anthony & Robbins 1992, “Law, Social Science and the ‘Brainwashing’ Exception to the First Amendment”:
“Brainwashed! Scholars of cults accuse each other of bad faith”, by Charlotte Allen, Lingua Franca Dec/Jan 1998: