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Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 26 September 2013 05:07:30PM *  29 points [-]

I ate something I shouldn't have the other day and ended up having this surreal dream where Mencius Moldbug had gotten tired of the state of the software industry and the Internet and had made his personal solution to it all into an actual piece of working software that was some sort of bizarre synthesis of a peer-to-peer identity and distributed computing platform, an operating system and a programming language. Unfortunately, you needed to figure out an insane system of phoneticized punctuation that got rewritten into a combinator grammar VM code if you wanted to program anything in it. I think there even was a public Github with reams of code in it, but when I tried to read it I realized that my computer was actually a cardboard box with an endless swarm of spiders crawling out of it while all my teeth were falling out, and then I woke up without ever finding out exactly how the thing was supposed to work.

Comment author: [deleted] 30 September 2013 07:38:20AM 4 points [-]

Welcome to Urbit

One of Urbit’s problems is that we don’t exactly have a word for what Urbit is. If there is such a word, it somehow means both “operating system” and “network protocol,” while somehow also implying “functional” and “deterministic.”

Not only is there no such word, it’s not even clear there should be one. And if there was, could we even hear it? As Wittgenstein said: if a lion could talk, we would not understand him. But heck, let’s try anyway.

I love the smell of Moldbug in the morning.

Comment author: David_Gerard 08 November 2013 05:46:42PM *  1 point [-]

For an example of fully rampant Typical Mind Fallacy in Urbit, see the security document. About two-thirds of the way down, you can actually see Yarvin transform into Moldbug and start pontificating on how humans communicating on a network should work, and never mind the observable evidence of how they actually have behaved whenever each of the conditions he describes have obtained.

The very first thing people will do with the Urbit system is try to mess with its assumptions, in ways that its creators literally could not foresee (due to Typical Mind Fallacy), though they might have been reasonably expected to (given the real world as data).

Comment author: ChristianKl 26 September 2013 10:07:48PM 0 points [-]

I love those dream posts in the open threads.

Comment author: arundelo 26 September 2013 10:13:22PM *  5 points [-]

Note that <explaining-the-joke>rirelguvat hc gb gur pbzchgre orvat n pneqobneq obk vf yvgrenyyl gehr.</explaining-the-joke>

Comment author: David_Gerard 28 September 2013 10:06:55PM 2 points [-]

I think that he actually implemented the spiders.