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Comment author: ygert 15 December 2013 11:29:51AM *  4 points [-]

Unrelated to the latest chapters:

Inspired by RomeoStevens's comment in this thread, I am going over HPMOR, summarizing each chapter in a haiku. Tell me what you think:

Chapter 1:

Unexpected truth

Must still be updated on

Yes, magic is real

Chapter 2:

A show of magic

Tales of bitten teachers

The saga begins

Chapter 3:

Diagon alley

A peek into a new world

Stories of the past

Chapter 4:

Metal currency!

No real financial system

To speak of at all

Comment author: Unnamed 16 December 2013 09:08:14PM 4 points [-]

Chapter 23:

A blood purist, Draco by name
Proved that all wizards' blood is the same
So the boy who tricked him
Became his next victim
Draco would never do science again

Comment author: Unnamed 22 December 2013 03:38:23AM 0 points [-]

Jumping ahead to my favorite chapters, though the tone is nonstandard for the medium.

Patronus (chp 43)

His wrist motions were right on the mark
But his wand? Not even a spark.
What is wrong with this boy?
Is his heart short on joy?
Or is it just that it means that he's Dark.

Dementor (chp 43)

From its cloak it stroked his dark side
But he'd face it, with his wand and the sky
Then it struck a deep chord
Out came the Dark Lord
"Headmaster, you annoy me, so die."

Dementation (chp 44)

His mind hateful and empty of bliss,
Unmoored in that Dark abyss
Who can reach the boy now?
He won't respond to cacao
It can only end with a kiss.

Comment author: Kindly 15 December 2013 03:39:07PM 3 points [-]

Poetry is a union of form and content. Putting something into the form of a haiku is essentially trivial, so most haiku writers focus on content instead; however, your content should also be familiar to everyone reading, so you can't win there. (Also, #2 and #4 have 6 and 5 syllables in their respective second lines.)

Limericks would be good, if you could pull those off. Obviously, it would be harder. That's sort of the point, though: to impress people with form, you have to do something that isn't easy to do. On the other hand, if you write 101+ limericks, you'll probably be good at limericks by the end.

(Half good; I'm told the other half of limerick writing is that they have to be dirty and/or funny, ideally both.)

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 16 December 2013 10:02:35AM 3 points [-]

your content should also be familiar to everyone reading

Not for those who've had the time to forget about the contents of the story. This could be a useful way for people to remind themselves of the rough structure of the story without re-reading everything.

Comment author: ygert 15 December 2013 05:23:27PM *  1 point [-]

I don't know. I think there is a virtue in succinctness, an art that appears when things are put into a tightly limited form. It makes you look at what is essential, and so shows the essence.

Maybe I'll try limericks next. It's as good an idea as any, I suppose.

Different people pronounce things differently, so arguing over syllable numbers is going to be be frustrating, but can you tell me how you see 6 syllables in line 2 of #2? Do you pronounce "tales" as a single syllable?

You are certainly right about #4 though, so thanks for the pointer. I changed it. It lost a bit of punch, but whatever. If I am building elegance out of restrictions, I had better keep to them.

Comment author: ygert 16 December 2013 02:53:42PM *  1 point [-]

Some more:

Chapter 6:

A resolution:

Understanding this world

Is a task indeed

Chapter 7

Journey to Hogwarts

Platform nine point seven five

Meeting new friends

Bonus one:

Quidditch needs a clock

The snitch is ridiculous

Reformation now!

And another:

All-powerful tea:

Harry impregnates Draco

So says The Quibbler

Comment author: TobyBartels 19 December 2013 03:03:25PM 1 point [-]

Nice.

Rewrite of Chapter 6:

A resolution:

Understanding this world:

What a task it is!

Comment author: ygert 19 December 2013 05:02:27PM *  2 points [-]

I like it. I think that's definitely an improvement on the last line.

Here are a few more:

Chapter 8:

Meet Hermione

Riddles and experiments

Start a new friendship

Chapter 9:

Waiting for sorting

Genetics are confusing

Never this before

Chapter 10:

The hat is conscious!

By asking, making sentience

Oops. A big mistake.

And another:

Ravenclaw sharpens

But Hufflepuff dulls his coldness

Where to put Harry?

And:

On this day fate splits

A great fork of destiny

Which path is right?

And:

One lone shouted word:

SLYTHERIN! ... Wait, what was that?!

Kidding! RAVENCLAW!

Comment author: TobyBartels 16 December 2013 02:28:26AM 0 points [-]

Like Kindly, I pronounce 'tales’ with one syllable, but if it's two for you, then OK.

As for content, I'm fairly pleased with these, except for #4. Having the last two lines run together as a single sentence without a break seems inappropriate. Maybe rewrite it so that ‘Metal currency!’ is the last line?

Comment author: ygert 16 December 2013 02:35:06PM 0 points [-]

Yeah, I had to quickly rewrite #4 at the last minute after Kindly pointed out that my original version had an unambiguous 6 syllables in line 2. So it is no surprise that my hurried rewrite was less good.

Out of interest, how do you pronounce "tales"? I seem to pronounce it something on the order of "tay-uls". So how do you pronounce it as a single syllable?

Comment author: TobyBartels 16 December 2013 03:06:49PM 1 point [-]

When speaking naturally and counting syllables, I pronounce ‘tales’ and ‘tells’ largely the same; the vowel in the first is longer and slightly higher (/e:/ vs /ϵ/). But when emphasizing (‘not tells, TALES’), I would do more like your ‘tay-uls’.